Some people owe Alvez_48 an apology.....

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Randy

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About two weeks ago he posted a thread opening a discussion around the theory that the pandemic may have been caused by a lab accident. He was instantly shot down in flames with accusations of conspiracy theories etc.

Well after this weekend's news it seems that theory is back on the table with the news reported in the wall Street journal and Fauci's comments about the possibility of it escaping a lab and wanting more investigation into it. This is also backed up by Biden's administration looking into investigating it too.

Nothing is off the table.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
Didn't he say it was started in a lab rather than may have been. I don't think may have been is in his vocabulary.
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This completely Alvez deals in absolutes and use of extreme and aggressive language.

To state this virus did start in a lab as as wrong as suggesting it didn't at this point.

No apology needed nor earned.
 
The lab leak hypothesis will always have an "orange glow" around it for some people on here hence it could never be true.
 
smogontherhine said:
The lab leak hypothesis will always have an "orange glow" around it for some people on here hence it could never be true.
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I wouldn't say it could never be true either. For the same reason that currently it is not definite is came from a lab.

I still think it highly unlikely
 
smogontherhine said:
The lab leak hypothesis will always have an "orange glow" around it for some people on here hence it could never be true.
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Firstly the word hypothesis is correct, just because something can be imagined doesn't mean there is any credence to it.

Secondly, the source of a hypothesis should always be questioned, the first question of any objective analysis should be 'what is in it for them?'....we know what was in it for the orange one, shift attention from his own failure and weaponise racism for future votes. So rightly, the fact that he started this claim in common parlance harms it's credence. Now, has that been replaced with evidence and more credible hypothesis origins, no.

Deflecting to 'you hate this because of Trump' is an irrelevance and diversion from an objective perspective, the claim still lacks credence regardless of who pushed this 'theory'.
 
BoroMart said:
you would think so, but some people are approaching this with the desire to blame china and people, rather than approach it objectively, so they se what they want to see to fit their predetermined blame game.
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You owe alvez an apology because the state of play is the same as when alvez originally posted.

Just for the record as well Randy, I don’t think anyone denied it could have came from a lab
 
There are 3 parts to this theory. Did the original covid infection "escape" from a lab in China or elsewhere. I would say pretty unlikely but possible. Was it deliberately allowed to escape, very very very unlikely but still possible. The final part is that it was a manmade virus which was deliberately allowed to escape this is pretty much impossible to do in secret.
 
BoroMart said:
possibility yes, not probability or smoking gun evidence. Nothing has changed.
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Of course it has. Alvez was slaughtered for suggesting it, even with crumbs of evidence here and there. Now the bigger media companies are reporting on the very possibility of it been a lab related accident.
 
BoroMart said:
you would think so, but some people are approaching this with the desire to blame china and people, rather than approach it objectively, so they se what they want to see to fit their predetermined blame game.
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How does blaming China from a "lab leak" perspective differ from blaming them from a "wet market" perspective ?
If anything the latter is worse... blaming the poor uneducated peasants.
 
Randy said:
Of course it has. Alvez was slaughtered for suggesting it, even with crumbs of evidence here and there. Now the bigger media companies are reporting on the very possibility of it been a lab related accident.
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so still possible, not probably. The last thread started with something like "Is there anyone left with any doubt....", i.e. it was a done deal, proven, etc. that's what people took issue with and still would.
smogontherhine said:
How does blaming China from a "lab leak" perspective differ from blaming them from a "wet market" perspective ?
If anything the latter is worse... blaming the poor uneducated peasants.
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No one with any credibility is blaming wet markets. The press reports, which are simply regurgitations of WHO statements, were that wet markets were being investigated as a potential source.....that is a very different statement to "Is there anyone left with any doubt that this came from a lab". If you can't see the important difference then that's on you.
 
BoroMart said:
so still possible, not probably. The last thread started with something like "Is there anyone left with any doubt....", i.e. it was a done deal, proven, etc. that's what people took issue with and still would.

No one with any credibility is blaming wet markets. The press reports, which are simply regurgitations of WHO statements, were that wet markets were being investigated as a potential source.....that is a very different statement to "Is there anyone left with any doubt that this came from a lab". If you can't see the important difference then that's on you.
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I'm talking about the time when Trump was propounding the lab leak hypothesis, the world was only too happy to dismiss this and blame the wet market then.
 
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