Rofesleg
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How long do you think Woodgate should have been given? Southgate was given 4 seasons.
Southgate's time at the Boro: 'six bad weeks'
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indeedido
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Woodgate shouldn't have been given it at all.
Southgate did remarkably well for the first two seasons. The relegation season was dire for its lack of fight. He should have gone then, as we had got worse, rapidly.
I still love Gareth and nothing will change that.
The_Big_Woodowski
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I think he got to much time should have been sacked when we got beat 2-1 away to hull just before Xmas in our relegation season for me...
Redwurzel
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Southgate did OK for me in his first 2 seasons, especially considering he was brand new to management in the hardest league in the World.
Cardiff in the FAC was bad, but not as bad as losing to Orient in 1978 and no one criticises John Neal for that.
It was the last 14 months where GS lost it - some of it was his fault and some not (if rumours are to be believed).
Bad releasing Morrison, Cattermole and Boateng - I believe Southgate was in agreement - Digard was injured most of the time and Gary ? was not as good.
Very bad releasing Schwarzer and Young - Possibly Southgate did agreed with this - Turnbull and Hoyte were very poor replacements.
Signing Mido and Alves (Southgate has said he disagreed with Alves not sure about Mido decision but he was injured and slow)
In the Championship losing at home 5-0 and also 1-0 at home to a poor Watford side then 2-1 at poor Bristol City side showed it not really not a promotion season in the making - three early wins had come with Huth and Tuncay and they were sold.
For that last 14 months some of the blame for the poor performance has to go on the ownership of the club for buying and sellinbg players that the managers was not happy with, but not all of it. I also don't know what was happening financially. I know the summer of 2008 the UK had a banking crises and MFC was in alot of debt to Banks.
Cardiff in the FAC was bad, but not as bad as losing to Orient in 1978 and no one criticises John Neal for that.
It was the last 14 months where GS lost it - some of it was his fault and some not (if rumours are to be believed).
Bad releasing Morrison, Cattermole and Boateng - I believe Southgate was in agreement - Digard was injured most of the time and Gary ? was not as good.
Very bad releasing Schwarzer and Young - Possibly Southgate did agreed with this - Turnbull and Hoyte were very poor replacements.
Signing Mido and Alves (Southgate has said he disagreed with Alves not sure about Mido decision but he was injured and slow)
In the Championship losing at home 5-0 and also 1-0 at home to a poor Watford side then 2-1 at poor Bristol City side showed it not really not a promotion season in the making - three early wins had come with Huth and Tuncay and they were sold.
For that last 14 months some of the blame for the poor performance has to go on the ownership of the club for buying and sellinbg players that the managers was not happy with, but not all of it. I also don't know what was happening financially. I know the summer of 2008 the UK had a banking crises and MFC was in alot of debt to Banks.
Redwurzel
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Gareth knows his own strengths and as far as we know has never applied for a club management job, whiuch suggests he thinks he is best suited to International management @ England.
I don't blame him really it was probably very traumatic for him at the Boro in 2006-2009.
I don't blame him really it was probably very traumatic for him at the Boro in 2006-2009.
newyddion
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That Summer before we got relegated was brutal!! Injuries relegated us. We failed to sign a midfielder in January. We couldn’t sell Downing to Spurs as the bank wanted the money straight away. We needed players.
We asked for Bale + Cash
We were offered about 8 duffers from Spurs in a swap deal.
We sent young Matic back as they asked for nearly £1m (might have even been the full million)
Ben Watson agree to join.. then buggered off to Wigan last minute.
Muttley
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The timing of Southgate's sacking was very strange. As said above I would have sacked him with ten games to go to give someone else a chance to keep us up, or I would have sacked him once we had been relegated OR I would have sacked him when it became plain that we were not capable of promotion from the Championship. I would not have sacked him when Gibbo did. I can understand the logic but I think that having shown faith to let him try to take us back up he should have shown that faith with a proper crack at it.
Pity, things might have turned out a lot better and we might at least have avoided the twin disasters of Strachan and Monk.
Pity, things might have turned out a lot better and we might at least have avoided the twin disasters of Strachan and Monk.
Frozen Horse
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I think SG will feel he did.
We had had midtable form since Huth and Tuncay left.
That we still appeared to be doing ok was a distortion caused by the first 4 matches, when we still had them, and when we showed league-smashing form.
Jedi boro
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No selling our main keeper and replacing him with two that would struggle to get in Hartlepools side as they were both awful ( I don’t care where they moved on to they are both shocking keepers) and then not naming a no 1 as he didn’t want to upset the other that summed up Gareth’s leadership style.
I think he got lucky to get the England job ( he got it through allardyce greed let’s not forget) and he’s doing ok but the players are so good that it’s an easier job at he mo
for me the real test is when we face a real side of international pedigree at a major competition ( the europa league was a good start but yet again we fell at first hurdle in finals.) so let’s see how we do.
I wish him well and have high hopes for this summer but for me the jury is still out on Gareth’s England.
Let’s talk on pitch, Southgate tells Boro keepers
GARETH SOUTHGATE has dropped the broadest hint yet that both Ross Turnbull and Brad Jones will be offered new contracts.
www.gazettelive.co.uk
newyddion
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Relegation was not down to Southgate.
The appointment of Gordon Strachan was the single worst decision the club has ever made.
Selling our main keeper? He moved to Fulham on a free. The Middlesbrough hierarchy didn’t think he was worth as much as he was asking for.. or maybe they just didn’t have it to pay out.No selling our main keeper and replacing him with two that would struggle to get in Hartlepools side as they were both awful ( I don’t care where they moved on to they are both shocking keepers) and then not naming a no 1 as he didn’t want to upset the other that summed up Gareth’s leadership style.
I think he got lucky to get the England job ( he got it through allardyce greed let’s not forget) and he’s doing ok but the players are so good that it’s an easier job at he mo
for me the real test is when we face a real side of international pedigree at a major competition ( the europa league was a good start but yet again we fell at first hurdle in finals.) so let’s see how we do.
I wish him well and have high hopes for this summer but for me the jury is still out on Gareth’s England.
Let’s talk on pitch, Southgate tells Boro keepers
GARETH SOUTHGATE has dropped the broadest hint yet that both Ross Turnbull and Brad Jones will be offered new contracts.
Losing Schwarzer weakened the team/squad. But that was not the reason we were relegated. That squad would have stayed up had we not had a paper thin midfield. THAT is what got us relegated. Signing Ben Watson would have kept us up imo..
Jonny Ingbar
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I think you're underselling what GD has achieved with England.No selling our main keeper and replacing him with two that would struggle to get in Hartlepools side as they were both awful ( I don’t care where they moved on to they are both shocking keepers) and then not naming a no 1 as he didn’t want to upset the other that summed up Gareth’s leadership style.
I think he got lucky to get the England job ( he got it through allardyce greed let’s not forget) and he’s doing ok but the players are so good that it’s an easier job at he mo
for me the real test is when we face a real side of international pedigree at a major competition ( the europa league was a good start but yet again we fell at first hurdle in finals.) so let’s see how we do.
I wish him well and have high hopes for this summer but for me the jury is still out on Gareth’s England.
Let’s talk on pitch, Southgate tells Boro keepers
GARETH SOUTHGATE has dropped the broadest hint yet that both Ross Turnbull and Brad Jones will be offered new contracts.
Before his tenure the squad was beset with cliques and many players not enjoying the experience of representing their country - it was fractious and on the whole an underachieving piece.
He's reignited the desire to play for England, removed the negativity and the cliques and not been afraid to pick a squad on form, not reputation.
I think he is as capable as any manager since Robson of winning a tournament, even more so when you look at the young crop of attacking talent coming through
Jedi boro
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Sorry I meant not replacing him but the the point still stands he/we thought keepers didn’t matter so anyone would do. It did matter and we sink without trace zero fight and zero heart. Typified by the likes of alliardaire now saying coming here was his biggest mistake he ever made.
newyddion
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No, not true. We clearly couldn’t afford Schwarzer, we tried to sign Liverpool’s keeper and that didn’t work out.. so we were left with what we had. I liked Aliadiere playing up top
With Tuncay.. but we were his level and he played at his level. He wouldn’t have done any better anywhere else.
Frozen Horse
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Agreed. I also think he has to take a lot of credit for bringing the young generation through. It has been a hallmark of his tenure that he has always been prepared to give youth ago.
This contrasts to past managers who have unfailingly gone down the usual suspects route.
A couple of months ago, a criticism of GS was made that he probably wouldn't take Bellingham to the Euros despite his recent performance. Which other England manager would even have given Bellingham a chance at that age?
Maybe the talent would have come through regardless of GS; however, that this crop has so much international experience at this age is all down to GS.
Jedi boro
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So Which part isn’t true then ?
the relying on two keepers that Hartlepool would say no too ( where is turnbull now) or going down with whimper in a spineless gutless manner scoring the lowest number of goals in the Uk.
Aliadiere admits that he shouldn't have left Arsenal
Former Arsenal striker Jeremie Aliadiere has revealed that he regrets leaving the club for Middlesbrough in 2007. Aliadiere joined Arsenal as a youngster
Frozen Horse
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Hartlepool
Jedi boro
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Ha ha I don’t know that classic.
newyddion
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"he/we thought keepers didn’t matter so anyone would do"So Which part isn’t true then ?
the relying on two keepers that Hartlepool would say no too ( where is turnbull now) or going down with whimper in a spineless gutless manner scoring the lowest number of goals in the Uk.
Aliadiere admits that he shouldn't have left Arsenal
Former Arsenal striker Jeremie Aliadiere has revealed that he regrets leaving the club for Middlesbrough in 2007. Aliadiere joined Arsenal as a youngsterwww.dailymail.co.uk
he didn't sell Schwarzer or even want to get rid of him. he wanted to sign Charles Itandje!!
the Summer of 2008 was the worst transfer window we have ever had in my opinion.. made worse with a dreadful January 2009 window.
Out went Boateng, Cattermole & Young for £10m and we brought in Emnes, Digard & Hoyte at £10.2m to replace them. Gretar Steinsson was the man who was to replace Luke Young but we dithered and got caught out
Schwarzer leaving on a free and us being unable to bring in Charles Itandje (from Liverpool) left us with Ross Turnbull spent 4 seasons at Chelsea after leaving boro Brad Jones spent 5 seasons at Liverpool, they had nothing to do with the number of goals we scored that season.
We turned our noses up at Nemanja Matic for nearly £1m and stuck with Ben Watson as our only midfield option.
Injuries to David Wheater and Didier Digard cost us more than our choice of keeper. To be honest Lee Cattermole's kick on Didier Digard could be the one single moment that relegated us. The fact that we were unable to bring in a decent midfielder in January was the biggest concern. We were VERY VERY poor in the transfer market.
All this is made 10 times worse when we know that we turned our noses up at Charlie Adam(£500k), Graham Dorrans (£100k), Steven Fletcher (£1m) & Ross McCormack (£120k)
We were poor in the transfer market, we paid over the odds for tripe and refused to pay buttons for talent. We did not have sufficient cover for all positions.
The one game that could have turned it round for us vs Newcastle.. we were weak in defence. Weather was injured and we brought Matty Bates into defence from midfield.
Jedi boro
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Oh come on we all know why they signed him and it was his passport.
newyddion
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He wasn't the reason we went down.