Stephen Lawrence - BBC name new suspect

Redka said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Stephen Lawrence: BBC names new suspect in UK's most notorious racist murder

Evidence about Matthew White, now dead, implicates other suspects and reveals more police failings.
www.bbc.co.uk

This seems a bit odd that the BBC have done this and are confident enough to name him.
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Reading the piece I can't see anything that's revelatory, the CPS reviewed charges twice for him and he was arrested twice.

The initial Lawrence investigation was appallingly poor and trying to make any sense of that with subsequent investigations is very very hard to do.
 
Yes they
1finny said:
The Met have a lot to answer for don’ they
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Yes they do. The MPS has always been the 'problem-child' of British policing, maybe its because the standard of officers is poorer because it's easier to recruit down there, I don't know.

But most controversies come out of the MPS and the rest of the country bear the consequences.

But equally I think the MPS are in such a difficult place that media coverage is almost exclusively negative.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
Yes they

Yes they do. The MPS has always been the 'problem-child' of British policing, maybe its because the standard of officers is poorer because it's easier to recruit down there, I don't know.

But most controversies come out of the MPS and the rest of the country bear the consequences.

But equally I think the MPS are in such a difficult place that media coverage is almost exclusively negative.
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I think Cleveland Police give them a run for their money in the corrupt and inefficient stakes (I know its from more than 3 years ago)

www.theguardian.com

Cleveland police branded 'failing' in all areas by inspectors

Force effectively plunges into special measures after being rated inadequate overall
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The_Lizards_Jumpers said:
I think Cleveland Police give them a run for their money in the corrupt and inefficient stakes (I know its from more than 3 years ago)

www.theguardian.com

Cleveland police branded 'failing' in all areas by inspectors

Force effectively plunges into special measures after being rated inadequate overall
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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I think any organisation that has so many changes in leadership over such a sort space of time is going to have problems.

Things started to go badly wrong with the appointment of Mike Veale, policings answer to Donald Trump.

Then Richard Lewis arrives from Wales, strips out most of the Cleveland Police senior leadership and replaces them with inferior equivalents from other police forces. Some of his own conduct, which I won't repeat here, raises some serious concerns about his own integrity.

It's a complex but very sorry tale.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
Reading the piece I can't see anything that's revelatory, the CPS reviewed charges twice for him and he was arrested twice.

The initial Lawrence investigation was appallingly poor and trying to make any sense of that with subsequent investigations is very very hard to do.
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It wasn’t poor at all. It was deliberate. The first on scene officers were removed from the investigation with the intervention of someone from another station, SD Fillery How a mere sergeant was allowed, to by pass more senior officers is at the least ‘Interesting’ and goes back as far as Brink Matts and the Daniel Morgan murder. At that time there was massive corruption in the Met.

Dobson and Norris, and another suspect Jamie Acourt came from families that were involved in crime, especially in South London. Fillery and others were on the take….so the investigation was steered in another direction.
There’s a book which gives an account of what was going on in the Met over period of many years including the Lawrence case.Unfortunately it’s between £60-£100 a copy, which is good considering a few years ago it was £250+ for a used paperback
I got lucky when a Kindle edition came out.

Untouchables: Dirty Cops, Bent Justice and Racism in Scotland Yard: Amazon.co.uk: Gillard, Michael, Flynn, Laurie: 9781903813041: Books

Buy Untouchables: Dirty Cops, Bent Justice and Racism in Scotland Yard by Gillard, Michael, Flynn, Laurie (ISBN: 9781903813041) from Amazon's Book Store. Everyday low prices and free delivery on eligible orders.
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Ziggy said:
It wasn’t poor at all. It was deliberate. The first on scene officers were removed from the investigation with the intervention of someone from another station, SD Fillery How a mere sergeant was allowed, to by pass more senior officers is at the least ‘Interesting’ and goes back as far as Brink Matts and the Daniel Morgan murder. At that time there was massive corruption in the Met.

Dobson and Norris, and another suspect Jamie Acourt came from families that were involved in crime, especially in South London. Fillery and others were on the take….so the investigation was steered in another direction.
There’s a book which gives an account of what was going on in the Met over period of many years including the Lawrence case.Unfortunately it’s between £60-£100 a copy, which is good considering a few years ago it was £250+ for a used paperback
I got lucky when a Kindle edition came out.

Untouchables: Dirty Cops, Bent Justice and Racism in Scotland Yard: Amazon.co.uk: Gillard, Michael, Flynn, Laurie: 9781903813041: Books

Buy Untouchables: Dirty Cops, Bent Justice and Racism in Scotland Yard by Gillard, Michael, Flynn, Laurie (ISBN: 9781903813041) from Amazon's Book Store. Everyday low prices and free delivery on eligible orders.
www.amazon.co.uk
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I agree, corruption was a factor, but incompetence was too.

I know a lawyer personally who acts for an interested party in the Daniel Morgan murder and the corruption in that case was rife and central to the failure to conduct a proper investigation.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
I agree, corruption was a factor, but incompetence was too.

I know a lawyer personally who acts for an interested party in the Daniel Morgan murder and the corruption in that case was rife and central to the failure to conduct a proper investigation.
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I was sat in a pub car park, just about to go in and meet a friend. The BBC 4 radio news came so I stayed and listened. The front lead piece was the final 5-6th trial of the murder….the guy was found innocent. I was sat in the car park, where the murder happened, of the Golden Lion, Sydenham. Bizarre
 
Ziggy said:
I was sat in a pub car park, just about to go in and meet a friend. The BBC 4 radio news came so I stayed and listened. The front lead piece was the final 5-6th trial of the murder….the guy was found innocent. I was sat in the car park, where the murder happened, of the Golden Lion, Sydenham. Bizarre
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Yes, a bit surreal that.

It's one of those cases where it's widely accepted who was involved and yet to one has ever been convicted.
 
The_Lizards_Jumpers said:
I think Cleveland Police give them a run for their money in the corrupt and inefficient stakes (I know its from more than 3 years ago)

www.theguardian.com

Cleveland police branded 'failing' in all areas by inspectors

Force effectively plunges into special measures after being rated inadequate overall
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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As I often point out when this comes up, there was some slightly inaccurate reporting as there were two areas or parts of the force that weren't failing. Can't remember the other, but Scenes of Crime and Forensics is excellent. In fact a recent inspection by regulators was so impressed they recommended all forces learn from their systems, procedures and manuals to meet the new accreditation standards in certain fields.
 
30 years on and not only does the private torment continue for Stephen's family and friends but still it's all over the media.
Appalling. And the police were simply disgraceful
 
Lefty said:
As I often point out when this comes up, there was some slightly inaccurate reporting as there were two areas or parts of the force that weren't failing. Can't remember the other, but Scenes of Crime and Forensics is excellent. In fact a recent inspection by regulators was so impressed they recommended all forces learn from their systems, procedures and manuals to meet the new accreditation standards in certain fields.
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There was more than that, serious and organised crime was pretty healthy for example.

The main issues were in uniformed front line policing areas.

It's got worse in many ways since that report though.
 
I hope if the Metropolitan Police spy on the Lawrence family [again] they just move into the spare bedroom and pay board.
Disgraceful the way this case and the family have been treated.(n)
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
I think any organisation that has so many changes in leadership over such a sort space of time is going to have problems.

Things started to go badly wrong with the appointment of Mike Veale, policings answer to Donald Trump.

Then Richard Lewis arrives from Wales, strips out most of the Cleveland Police senior leadership and replaces them with inferior equivalents from other police forces. Some of his own conduct, which I won't repeat here, raises some serious concerns about his own integrity.

It's a complex but very sorry tale.
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And then we have that **** as Police and Crime Commissioner
 
Steve Bee said:
And then we have that **** as Police and Crime Commissioner
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Coppinger had his faults, but then he's politician first and foremost and political survival is always an overriding priority, but the current PCC was a big step in the wrong direction.

I think there was a very distinct move to support his bid from the then chief constable too - the the events that led to Coppinger stepping down, and the chief constables central role in that, are to me very suspicious.

What did come with a Conservative PCC was a much warmer reception from the Northern Echo (a very vociferous critical until then) and I don't think the two events are unconnected.
 
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