Il Preside
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Anyone ITK - I presume we made a decent profit?
The Matt Crooks fee
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Allegedly $4m with Rotherham getting 15%
S7DiscoDown
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I'd imagine money back. I'm sure I read Rotherham had a small sell on percentage.
Crooksy was a terrific signing. Absolute bargain
Crooksy was a terrific signing. Absolute bargain
Il Preside
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So if we paid 1mill then we’ve made about a mill and a half profit then taking into account exchange rates and Rotherham’s 15%. Bit disappointing really
ThatFragranceGuy
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He wanted to go so would have been an unhappy player. It's not all about the fee.
davidmills
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Most websites quote 1 mill
but whether that is £ $ or euro who knows
but whether that is £ $ or euro who knows
JimboJenkins
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Really happy for him if it was a family decision. He didn't owe us anything, always tried hard and conducted himself like a top lad
Paulroddam7
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$4m would be incredibly good if true. Whatever the fee is, it will go down as a complete profit in this year’s books, I believe. Amazing business for a very limited player.
Gunslinger
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A limited player yes, but we look far less likely to score in games without his presence and playing 5ft tall 9 stone fluffy attacking midfielders instead
Aztec chimera
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Although I agree with the sentiment of what you're saying, who says a players peak is his 27th birthday and is it only on that day? Players peak at different ages, no two players are the same. Let alone all players.
Paulroddam7
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he plays more like a 5 foot 9 stone fluffy attacking midfielder than the giant he is tbf.
Redwurzel
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I base it on an average player and there are lots of stats to show players in general decline with age after a point around 27 for outfield players. There are some exceptions, I don't think Crooks is a major exception - it seemed say a bit slower this season then in late 2021.
Is it??
Frozen Horse
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If you can share, please do: I love good stats.
In particular, I wonder what type of stats they are? If it's in terms of distance covered, injuries etc I can easily believe that.
I think 20-30 years ago a player's peak years were considered to be about 24-28. I suspect that's gone back to more like 26-30 in the last decade for a combination of reasons, assuming peak years are the optimal balance of experience and physical condition.
First, I think players make the breakthrough into first team action later than they used to. I'd suggest in the 80s and early 90s, most 2nd tier team would have one or 2 starters under the age of 20. Past players therefore accumulated more experience at an earlier age.
I also think sports science and increased professionalism (less of a drinking/lads culture) have meant players stay in better condition longer.
Heine_Otto
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Jonny Howson still going ok 8 years after he peaked
A huge amount of factors affect how long players can play at a good level for. Every body is different and has had a different journey through their career. Obviously stats will take a huge amount of data and give a general average but each player should be taken on merit.
I do think you tend to find players who break through really young tend to struggle into their thirties but there are exceptions of course. Ronaldo and Messi for a start and on a lesser level James Milner.
But other factors such as injuries, matches played, diet and lifestyle are all big factors.
The type of player a player is also is a big factor. Players like Michael Owen who massively relied on pace struggle much earlier than say a player like Shearer who had much more to his game than pace. There's not many pacey wingers who excel into their thirties where as there's plenty of Centre Halves and Centre Mids who are less affected by a decline in pace who play well into their thirties. I would be surprised if someone like Izzy Jones has much success into his thirties whereas someone like McGree may well play a longer career.
Top players find ways of adapting their game though. Like Downing did. He became a total different type of player towards the back end of his career.
I do think you tend to find players who break through really young tend to struggle into their thirties but there are exceptions of course. Ronaldo and Messi for a start and on a lesser level James Milner.
But other factors such as injuries, matches played, diet and lifestyle are all big factors.
The type of player a player is also is a big factor. Players like Michael Owen who massively relied on pace struggle much earlier than say a player like Shearer who had much more to his game than pace. There's not many pacey wingers who excel into their thirties where as there's plenty of Centre Halves and Centre Mids who are less affected by a decline in pace who play well into their thirties. I would be surprised if someone like Izzy Jones has much success into his thirties whereas someone like McGree may well play a longer career.
Top players find ways of adapting their game though. Like Downing did. He became a total different type of player towards the back end of his career.