Tories Lose Chesham and Amersham

Steer said:
Much as I would like to think that the penny has finally dropped about the dodgy, self serving and corrupt Tories, I presume that this is probably more down to local issues?
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Whilst there are undoubtedly local issues at play with HS2, that was still happening in 2019 too so I'd not pay too much credence to that being the main driver. To lose a 16,000 + majority to having over 8,000 less votes than the lib dems in under 2 years is an astonishing result and worse than the Hartelpool result was for Labour.

Make no mistake, this is a seismic shock to the Tories and those on the 1922 committee that are already furstrated with Johnson will be sharpening their knives even more so. The cracks in the Johnson led Tory government are beginning to show, and spectacularly so.
 
Ex pfc wintergreen said:
More worrying, Labour into fourth place. The libdems collapsed at the last election so suprised to see them win. Labours fortunes seem to be mirroring Boro’s, big in the nineties early 2000’s, and slowly fallen away since, wonder who’ll be back first.
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That’s a shocking result for the Tories and shows that You Gov and others consistently showing the Tories at 45% are wrong.

The Tories only got 36% in the local elections despite ‘smashing it’ and the same last night.
 
jam69 said:
Yeah let's pretend that labour voters switching to kick the tory out is the real story, not the tories losing one of the safest seats in the country.
The Tories are losing votes in the blue shires, we saw that at recent local elections.
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The difficult balance for the right wing hate party is that by appeasing the blue wall with shiny things (regardless that they will never actually deliver on these promises of huge jobs and investment....not to the levels they claim) it will make the Thames valley and South East and other traditional Tory areas feel neglected, feel like they've been 'taken for granted' and the victims of austerity and that makes them vulnerable as we have seen. Add in those ideologically opposed to Johnson and his gang of crooks, shysters and grifters and you start to see a way out of this mess for the country. Long way to go yet though.
 
It's interesting to read the quotes coming from Ed Davey and the Lib Dem MP herself - all about the Tories and no Labour bashing, perhaps another sign of a behind the scenes agreement?
 
Ex pfc wintergreen said:
More worrying, Labour into fourth place. The libdems collapsed at the last election so suprised to see them win. Labours fortunes seem to be mirroring Boro’s, big in the nineties early 2000’s, and slowly fallen away since, wonder who’ll be back first.
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With Keir Starmer occupying the Rudy Gestede role?
 
Johnny Vincents Motorbike said:
would be typical of 'the north east' to go blue when the rest of the country is turning Red.

since the last great war 'the south' have never had it so good and importantly they want it to stay that way.
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I think we are a long way from that, maybe like in the North brexit is playing its part.
See hartlepool
 
A few things come out from this. One is it is a by-election and unpopular government often get aa kicking in them. There seem a fundamental change in politics going on. Traditional northern labour voters are switching to the tories. In the south and more affluent areas traditionally tory voters are deserting the tories in droves and switching to whoever with kick the tory mp or councillors out. Labour are getting even stronger in big cities especially London. Of course labour the labour gains elsewhere are not making up for the massive losses in the north. Will this last and what the causes are am not sure but I think Brexit in the north and south are still a big thing. Immigration is still a big thing up here that is for certain.
 
The Batley and Spen by election might be a better litmus test of what is going on. No HST2 to cloud the picture.
 
What a strange world we occupy at present - Working class Hartlepool is strong Tory and leafy Middle class Buckinghamshire goes Liberal.

I have a feeling Batley will go Tory - Labour don't seem interested in older working class voters, outside the Metro areas.
 
Joy_Division_Oven_Gloves said:
It’s all part of the growing vote swap campaign
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I know this was raised at the last general election, but it didn't seem effective. I am in favour of this given our awful FPTP system, but last time I lent my vote to the Lib Dems they ended up propping up Cameron and Osborne so would be reluctant to do this again until I understand more about Ed Davey and co.....many of the coalition enablers are still key players in the Lib Dems.
 
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Redwurzel said:
What a strange world we occupy at present - Working class Hartlepool is strong Tory and leafy Middle class Buckinghamshire goes Liberal.

I have a feeling Batley will go Tory - Labour don't seem interested in older working class voters, outside the Metro areas.
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What do you base that on? Generally Labour policies are about redistribution and greater equality of opportunities. IMHO some of these older working class voters forget how they have had the opportunities to live the lives they have had, decent pensions, welfare state etc... and who has been responsible for the economic policies that have eroded those opportunities.
 
Otto42 said:
I know this was raised at the last general election, but it didn't seem effective. I am in favour of this given our awful FPTP system, but last time I lent my vote to the Lib Dems they ended up propping up Cameron and Osborne so would be reluctant to do this again until I understand more about Ed Davey and co.....may of the coalition enablers are still key players in the Lib Dems.
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The last two coalitions involving the Tories went well for their "partners".

Anyone even considering propping up the Tories are signing their political death warrant.
 
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