TOUGH MEASURES ADDRESSING FAN BEHAVIOUR AT MATCHES

[Muttley]

Good evening.
The point about Staffordshire is meant to highlight the way the Police and higher up precipitate violence and intimidation.
Staffordshire werent responding to "fan behaviour".
They were organised, briefed and tooled up many weeks before that match.
We need to keep an eye on the Police to ensure they comply with the law.
You may have seen the issues with the Freedom of Information Act request, which basically said nothing and gave no explanation as to who gave the orders for the police to act that way on that occasion at Stoke.

OK. Not going to argue with that. I fail to see what it has to do with this? We've had threads about the way our fans were treat at Stoke. This is about how we expect our own to behave at the Riverside.

 

[newyddion]

Does pepper-spraying innocent men women and children, deliberately kettling fans on the way out of the ground and deliberately creating panic and intimidation by Staffordshire Police come into the "rules"? [ref: Stoke City]
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I mean.. that’s where we’re going with this isn’t it. Some divvy kid getting a lifetime ban after asking for a selfie.. family of four on a day out two adults, two kids.. £114 on tickets for the day. £200 on replica shirts.

Maybe it turns out to be a crap match? The parents don’t get served at the bar at half time and SHOCK HORROR they feel slightly ripped off. Decent quality football, but their team loses to a goal scored on the back of a wrong throw in decision! Are they necessarily going to be bothered in the slightest by a season long ban, a two season ban, three, etc?

or does someone acknowledge that the matchday experience does not match the prices charged? stopping people from paying for what they consider to be a poor service/experience.. it’s not going to attract more fans, sell more tickets, sell more merch.

I’m not saying stuff to get a rise out of people or to try and be controversial.

What would happen if:

100s of young men walked into a pub, the prices were sky high and they didn’t get served..

a) they would not go to that pub again?
b) maybe they would kick off?
c) they would seek alternative refreshments?
d) the management would put up a poster informing customers that crimes are illegal?

See also clothing stores that offer only photographs of stock and cinemas where you have to stand and talking is encouraged throughout.

 

[Muttley]

Maybe it turns out to be a crap match?

If that bothers you, get yourself a Sky box and a remote control

acknowledge that the matchday experience does not match the prices charged?

You seem to have an amusing idea that the "matchday experience" is enhanced by numpties letting off pyro technics, kids running on to the pitch and tawts snorting Colombian magic dust in the toilets...

All of those degrade the match experience for many people.

 

[r00fie1]

OK. Not going to argue with that. I fail to see what it has to do with this? We've had threads about the way our fans were treat at Stoke. This is about how we expect our own to behave at the Riverside.

I agree with fans having to behave themselves.
Im concerned that parents who encourage kids to go on the pitch, should get picked up by the collar and banned from the ground as well.

 

[newyddion]

There is a lot that you don't seem to understand.

The rules about running on the pitch have been allowed to slide. It's only a kid running on to get a selfie with his hero. And then some little chunt runs on in an important game, the game over runs and the opposition score in added on time. The pyro has been getting out of hand, oh it was only a smoke bomb, just the one flare. Do we have to wait until someone is hospitalised when one is set off and it triggers their asthma? Or a kid is burned on the face by a flare? Fans doing coke in the toilets, it's only a bit of nose candy. Yes the rules weren't enforced fully. You are being warned that they will be enforced this season. So when the Red Faction walk out because one of their number has been caught with a smoke bomb and banned, suck it up. No sympathy.

No really if you want to do any of those things just FRO.

Has it been allowed to slide? Season cards have been taken away from fans, bans have been handed out, arrests have been made.

You are saying the rules haven’t been enforced fully?!? I had a steward kicking off at me because a fan sat on my row during a cup game boo’d an opposition player for diving!

Nothing said by the stewards when a fan boo’d a team taking the knee. Nothing said when Jonathan Gould kicked off (totally unprovoked) at one of our fans..

Going back a bit there I know!!

 

[newyddion]

If that bothers you, get yourself a Sky box and a remote control

Missed the point completely.

You seem to have an amusing idea that the "matchday experience" is enhanced by numpties letting off pyro technics, kids running on to the pitch and tawts snorting Colombian magic dust in the toilets...

Nope

All of those degrade the match experience for many people.

Like sky high tickets prices, shyte officials, pish poor bar staff and gambling company logos being plastered over every visible surface?

The matchday experience is dump!

No bar = cocaine.
Poor bar = cocaine
Slow bar = cocaine

The same kids that are being told off are the same ones being forced fed 18+ gambling advertisements!

99.9% of fans wouldn’t be bothered by pyro if they weren’t set off in the concourse, under banners, thrown on the pitch et

 

[Muttley]

Missed the point completely.

Not really if you go to any sporting contest EXPECTING to have a marvellous experience you are going to be disappointed as often as you are delighted. If you can't cope with the fact that sometimes a football game is boring then don't go, stay at home and watch it on the telly - you can switch over and catch up on Love Island if it isn't brilliant all the time.

No bar = cocaine.
Poor bar = cocaine
Slow bar = cocaine

Utter drivel. Ever go to Ayresome? Ever go to non league?

99.9% of fans wouldn’t be bothered by pyro if...

Pyro is dangerous, it has no place in a football ground. Do you want to explain to a kid with a disfiguring burn how much you enjoyed watching the flare right up to the point where it hit him in the face? Commiserate to the family attending hospital where granddad ended up due to breathing difficulties after inhaling smoke?

It's banned. I hope they issue bans for anyone caught in possession of a flare or a smoke bomb let alone setting one off.

The matchday experience is dump!

It's what you make it. Ayresome on a cold November night was more of a survival test than anything else. Sorry the Riverside is what it is. Yeah encourage the singing in the South Stand and the banners and such but if that isn't enough, sorry it's football not the NFL, UFC or WWE

 

[Glover_elbow]

Are you allowed gather in a circle and cry because Marcus tav has departed

Good evening.
The point about Staffordshire is meant to highlight the way the Police and higher up precipitate violence and intimidation.
Staffordshire werent responding to "fan behaviour".
They were organised, briefed and tooled up many weeks before that match.
We need to keep an eye on the Police to ensure they comply with the law.
You may have seen the issues with the Freedom of Information Act request, which basically said nothing and gave no explanation as to who gave the orders for the police to act that way on that occasion at Stoke.

Cleveland police esculated the situation and staffordshire polices response was based on this so called intellgence. The detials of these intelligence reports are irreproachable even with a Freedom of Information Act request.

 

[newyddion]

Not really if you go to any sporting contest EXPECTING to have a marvellous experience you are going to be disappointed as often as you are delighted. If you can't cope with the fact that sometimes a football game is boring then don't go, stay at home and watch it on the telly - you can switch over and catch up on Love Island if it isn't brilliant all the time.

Times have changed

Utter drivel. Ever go to Ayresome? Ever go to non league?

Times have changed

Pyro is dangerous, it has no place in a football ground. Do you want to explain to a kid with a disfiguring burn how much you enjoyed watching the flare right up to the point where it hit him in the face? Commiserate to the family attending hospital where granddad ended up due to breathing difficulties after inhaling smoke?

Many grounds across the world have fans with pyro.. normally in the hardcore sections of the stadium.

It's banned. I hope they issue bans for anyone caught in possession of a flare or a smoke bomb let alone setting one off.

It is and they do

It's what you make it. Ayresome on a cold November night was more of a survival test than anything else. Sorry the Riverside is what it is. Yeah encourage the singing in the South Stand and the banners and such but if that isn't enough, sorry it's football not the NFL, UFC or WWE

Times have changed

 

[NYboro]

I agree with fans having to behave themselves.
Im concerned that parents who encourage kids to go on the pitch, should get picked up by the collar and banned from the ground as well.

I'm not. They should absolutely be banned.

 

[Johngannonsunderpants]

I noticed the Portland Timbers in the MLS release large amounts green smoke after they score from mock up tree trunks. This is done by the Club or with their approval. The trunks are slightly away from the crowd.

They also seem to have a dressed up lumberjack who periodically gets out a real chainsaw and saws through a tree trunk which appears to be broadcast on the stadium sound system.

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My favorite American team for this reason.
People also pass judgement on 'ultras' without actually knowing what they stand for and how positive they can be. Just take a look at Atalanta in Italy.

 

[Peppery_John]

I think the bigger picture is why is football trying to move away from its working class roots and turn itself into a middle class family day out, similar to going to the cinema, or the zoo. After the womens final I am waiting for the chorus sanctamonious wind bags asking " why cant fans at the mens game behave nicely like the womens game". The sachrine match day experience these days is awful, we dont need more finger pointing and tutting by authorities.

A lot of folk see themselves as middle class anyway and then people wonder why the Tories are virtually unopposed.