Vaccine Passports

MolteniArcore said:
You are an anti-vaxxer, I get it. Just admit it instead of trying to twist half truths to suit your narrative and ignoring the science.
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I'm not an anti vaxer. I support everybody to have it if that's what they so desire.

It certainly ain't no half truth because it can be easily verified hence why i placed the names within the post.

have a good day
 
Liamo said:
I haven't seen anything saying all UK citizens will be given booster doses. Do you have a source for that?

According to the FT article below:




UK vaccine advisers to call for targeted booster programme

Also, there's not even full agreement that booster doses are required.

A lot is being made of the Israeli study that seemed to indicate a waning of efficacy. However its results are not necessarily definitive, as follows:




Is vaccine immunity waning?

There's also no indication that further boosters would be needed, even in vulnerable groups. Some vaccines, like Hep B, already require a course of 3 doses but once those doses are given and the required level of immunity is reached, no more doses are required.
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This vaccine committee also said originally they wouldn't be vaccinating kids as there was no benefit to it when weighed up with he risk of death to kids and now look at what's going to happen when the 12-15 year olds go back to school.

The cynic in me thinks big pharma companies will continue to claim boosters are needed every year so they keep the bank accounts topped up. They aren't making and releasing them for free are they? Which you think they would do in the midst of pandemic.
 
fmttmadmin said:
Surely it isn't about you, it is about the people around you. I wear a mask in a shop because I want to be seen protecting other shoppers and staff at least as much as protecting myself. I would support a vaccine passport to get into some venues because I feel it would represent peace of mind to many people there. It is obviously not fool proof but it is going to increase confidence for so many.
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You want to be "seen" to be protecting other shoppers. That's the crux of it. Virtue signaling because masks do nothing. Vaccines won't make this go away, look at isreal, UK or any highly jabbed nation. They will save some life and some hospitalisations for a period. It protects the taker, nothing more. I haven't had it, never will. Had my MMR because the death rate for them is way higher and my mum decided for me. Vaccines are a good thing and are excellent at preventing severe illness/death. But mass rolling them out over many years to 60 million people is neither cost effective or going to eradicate a respiratory illness...

And those advocating Covid passes. What happens in 10 years when your BMI is 45 so you can't eat out? Or you fancy a pint but already had 10 this week? It is a slippery slope to many other causes of the NHS being under pressure and killing people. I get that they aren't contagious etc but they still place a massive burden on the NHS, which is what this is all about?

Let people make their own mind up based on their perceived risk. Some people won't fly, some will do 120 down the A19, some won't get the jab and die, some smoke and die, some drink and die... Life is full of choices, this should merely be another.
 
Stellify said:
You want to be "seen" to be protecting other shoppers. That's the crux of it. Virtue signaling because masks do nothing. Vaccines won't make this go away, look at isreal, UK or any highly jabbed nation. They will save some life and some hospitalisations for a period. It protects the taker, nothing more. I haven't had it, never will. Had my MMR because the death rate for them is way higher and my mum decided for me. Vaccines are a good thing and are excellent at preventing severe illness/death. But mass rolling them out over many years to 60 million people is neither cost effective or going to eradicate a respiratory illness...

And those advocating Covid passes. What happens in 10 years when your BMI is 45 so you can't eat out? Or you fancy a pint but already had 10 this week? It is a slippery slope to many other causes of the NHS being under pressure and killing people. I get that they aren't contagious etc but they still place a massive burden on the NHS, which is what this is all about?

Let people make their own mind up based on their perceived risk. Some people won't fly, some will do 120 down the A19, some won't get the jab and die, some smoke and die, some drink and die... Life is full of choices, this should merely be another.
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I didn’t realise I could pass my BMI on to someone else in the pub.
 
Stelify, can I ask have you had the "welcome to FMTTM" pack? It should include the details of all posters previous voting records at the GE and over Brexit. As someone who is keen to discuss such topics I think you might find it useful.
 
Stellify said:
N. Dakota v S.Dakota? Rubbish. Why didn't they work in UK? Belgium? Zero correlation anywhere and they do not stop respiratory, airborne viruses.
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WTF do N. Dakota and S. Dakota have to do with anything? Both very low population density. As far as I can tell, since being back in the UK, they don't work because no-one bothers to wear them. I have seen nothing since I came back from NY in July that makes me feel I was wrong to be **** scared of being here.
 
The sheer mental gymnastics that people are doing to justify their stance on these vaccines are frightening.

The chances of anyone being hospitalised are so slim if you're unvaccinated.

If you are vaccinated, you can still transmit and receive the virus.

So why do you care whether someone close to you had the vaccine or not? It makes no sense.

Also, where do you stop? Israel have recorded their largest numbers of covid outbreak since the beginning of the pandemic, despite having 90% of their population vaccinated.

It's absolutely mind bending how ridiculous people are being.

Petrified of a virus that has a 99.97% survival rate.
 
Randy said:
This vaccine committee also said originally they wouldn't be vaccinating kids as there was no benefit to it when weighed up with he risk of death to kids and now look at what's going to happen when the 12-15 year olds go back to school.

The cynic in me thinks big pharma companies will continue to claim boosters are needed every year so they keep the bank accounts topped up. They aren't making and releasing them for free are they? Which you think they would do in the midst of pandemic.
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Plenty of other disease with vaccines require booster shots too.
 
@Tonymcandrewshatrick..Randy33

You're wasting your breath with your replies, lads.
There's so many people brainwashed that it's embarrassing.

The goalposts have been moved so many times by the government it is baffling that people can't see where this is heading.

Everyone loves bungling B and his chums and not for one minute do they find anything a tad suspicious about anything that went on in Wuhan.

It is embarrassing how you are all being played and cannot see the bigger picture

Canada, France ,.New Zealand and Australia to name just a few are being systematically annihilated and their citizens incarcerated.

Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and probably Iran next have been dealt punishing violence for generations and are obliterated.

Yemen is ruined thanks to weapons bought from the British and used by the Saudi's.

You absolute ignorant people for only thinking of yourselves throughout this whole pandemic and bragging in pubs and supermarkets with your muzzles on and bleating ''I'M DOING MY BIT" while you scowl at someone who walks past you maskless.

Farts escape from undies so why don't water droplets escape from masks.

The WHO have already said countless times that masks aren't effective.
Stop being sheep!!!
 
Campervantastic said:
@Tonymcandrewshatrick..Randy33

You're wasting your breath with your replies, lads.
There's so many people brainwashed that it's embarrassing.

The goalposts have been moved so many times by the government it is baffling that people can't see where this is heading.

Everyone loves bungling B and his chums and not for one minute do they find anything a tad suspicious about anything that went on in Wuhan.

It is embarrassing how you are all being played and cannot see the bigger picture

Canada, France ,.New Zealand and Australia to name just a few are being systematically annihilated and their citizens incarcerated.

Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and probably Iran next have been dealt punishing violence for generations and are obliterated.

Yemen is ruined thanks to weapons bought from the British and used by the Saudi's.

You absolute ignorant people for only thinking of yourselves throughout this whole pandemic and bragging in pubs and supermarkets with your muzzles on and bleating ''I'M DOING MY BIT" while you scowl at someone who walks past you maskless.

Farts escape from undies so why don't water droplets escape from masks.

The WHO have already said countless times that masks aren't effective.
Stop being sheep!!!
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To be fair, I've seen some truly ridiculous posts on here but this one is next level! I honestly think you need to step back and take a look at some of the things you have written!
 
Campervantastic said:
@Tonymcandrewshatrick..Randy33

You're wasting your breath with your replies, lads.
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I know I got a bit of the hammering the other day because of questioning the CDC figures, but it's all about the detail which came out the next day.

The lovely CDC classified the vaccinated up to 14 days from vaccination as being unvaccinated. Which means that the figures were always going to be disproportionate against the reality. That way somebody could have the vaccine and die within a day of receiving it but they'll be classified as unvaccinated.

How very convenient.


"A bizarre new CDC study classes people who need hospitalisation within 14 days of recieving a Covid Vaccine as “Unvaccinated”!

According to this study, persons were considered fully vaccinated ≥14 days after receipt of the second dose in a 2-dose series (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna COVID-19 vaccines) or after 1 dose of the single-dose Janssen (Johnson & Johnson) COVID-19 vaccine.

They were considered partially vaccinated ≥14 days after receipt of the first dose and <14 days after the second dose in a 2-dose series, and were considered unvaccinated <14 days receipt of the first dose of a 2-dose series or 1 dose of the single-dose vaccine or if no vaccination registry data."

Peace and love to all
 
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