Vaccine Passports

tonymcandrewshattrick said:
I know I got a bit of the hammering the other day because of questioning the CDC figures, but it's all about the detail which came out the next day.

The lovely CDC classified the vaccinated up to 14 days from vaccination as being unvaccinated. Which means that the figures were always going to be disproportionate against the reality. That way somebody could have the vaccine and die within a day of receiving it but they'll be classified as unvaccinated.

How very convenient.


"A bizarre new CDC study classes people who need hospitalisation within 14 days of recieving a Covid Vaccine as “Unvaccinated”!

According to this study, persons were considered fully vaccinated ≥14 days after receipt of the second dose in a 2-dose series (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna COVID-19 vaccines) or after 1 dose of the single-dose Janssen (Johnson & Johnson) COVID-19 vaccine.

They were considered partially vaccinated ≥14 days after receipt of the first dose and <14 days after the second dose in a 2-dose series, and were considered unvaccinated <14 days receipt of the first dose of a 2-dose series or 1 dose of the single-dose vaccine or if no vaccination registry data."

Peace and love to all
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It's not "very convenient" It's how the vaccine works...

Please read up on this before any strange conspiracy theory posts
 
Campervantastic said:
@Tonymcandrewshatrick..Randy33

You're wasting your breath with your replies, lads.
There's so many people brainwashed that it's embarrassing.

The goalposts have been moved so many times by the government it is baffling that people can't see where this is heading.

Everyone loves bungling B and his chums and not for one minute do they find anything a tad suspicious about anything that went on in Wuhan.

It is embarrassing how you are all being played and cannot see the bigger picture

Canada, France ,.New Zealand and Australia to name just a few are being systematically annihilated and their citizens incarcerated.

Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and probably Iran next have been dealt punishing violence for generations and are obliterated.

Yemen is ruined thanks to weapons bought from the British and used by the Saudi's.

You absolute ignorant people for only thinking of yourselves throughout this whole pandemic and bragging in pubs and supermarkets with your muzzles on and bleating ''I'M DOING MY BIT" while you scowl at someone who walks past you maskless.

Farts escape from undies so why don't water droplets escape from masks.

The WHO have already said countless times that masks aren't effective.
Stop being sheep!!!
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Fantastic, this made me LO a bit too L in public.

Well played sir.
 
Let's see what mental gymnastics people will play to get the narrative to fit now.

Fear completely stops the ability to think logically.
 
This is a global pandemic and hence, trying to equate it to other diseases and vaccination programs is neither correct nor helpful.
Neither is trying to isolate the many measures that help stop the spread of the virus and using them as points to argue over.
Masks alone won't eradicate it, vaccines alone won't. Neither will social distancing or mass testing on its own get rid of the virus. However, if we combine all of the methods we have at our disposal we can limit the impact of the virus on everyone and that has to be the ultimate aim and it will probably mean that at some point you'll encounter something that you don't necessarily agree with, but as part of a wholeview approach it'll be needed.
Lockdowns, extreme social distancing and blanket masking was the right approach at the time when we had zero defence against the virus and very little knowledge of it. The impacts on society were often extreme and costly, but they were deemed necessary to avoid mass deaths and the possible destruction of health care services.
As we've learned more we've adapted our approaches around the world, some approaches being more successful than others.
The biggest issue for me has always been the messaging around this and in particular the stupid 'Freedom Day' which has been seen by many as a signalling an end to it all. We are still in a pandemic, albeit a different phase of it and what we do now will determine how far down the road we get to where we can live with it.
People can deny and decry it all they like right now, from flat out denial, conspiracies and effectiveness of the measures we are using, but to me, the biggest analogy is that of climate change. We spent years denying it, downplaying it etc, but the evidence is now staring everyone in the face and ever more extreme weather events are now commonplace and our lack of effort in properly tackling it is costing lives across the globe.
 
Small Town.

*You should be really hunkering down wherever you live.

* If I were you I wouldn't bother leaving home

* Get your shopping delivered

* No more Boro matches

* No going to the pub

* No fist pumping

* No elbow touching

*No contact with the outside world

I could go on and on, because there's so many other ridiculous things that 2 years ago you'd be taken to the loony bin for believing this.

Do you really think that everything will go back to normal again if the likes of you just bow down to every single thing that Bungling B demands?

You are in this for the long haul, Sir... Boosters for the rest of your life and probably more frequent than you can imagine

Daily doses of tablets

Letting your young kids or grandkids have the jab even though there's a survival rate or 99%

You need to really rethink your strategy
 
I find it quite amusing that people are LAUGHING at the very people who are trying to show people the other side.

The censorship of millions of adverse reactions and hundreds of thousands of deaths from the vaccines, is enough to worry me.

The coercive nature of only 106 governments with marketing campaigns, lockdowns, forced/coercive vaccination tacticts. Millions of people marching, across multiple cities, nations and continents.

Presidents of countries refusing the need for vaccines, suddenly dying.

Top virologists, epidemiologists, doctors, phd's etc - being censored and talked down in the media and on social media, including the very inventor of MRNA technology, what on earth would they do that for? The fact that ALL of the pharmaceutical companies involved are the biggest donators to MHRA, FDA & CDC - this doesn't ring alarm bells?

Hundreds of NHS whistleblowers, USA medical whistleblowers - this STILL is ignored.

It's baffling that a group of lads on a football message board think they know better than ALL of those people put together.

Trust the science?

I trust nothing until its proven, of which NONE of these vaccines are proven to be safe or effective - see Israel, Seychelles and even the UK - cases, hospitalizations all rising, despite MOST of the population vaccinated.
 
Evil said:
Top virologists, epidemiologists, doctors, phd's etc - being censored and talked down in the media and on social media, including the very inventor of MRNA technology, what on earth would they do that for? The fact that ALL of the pharmaceutical companies involved are the biggest donators to MHRA, FDA & CDC - this doesn't ring alarm bells?
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Robert Malone?
 
dooderooni said:
This is a global pandemic and hence, trying to equate it to other diseases and vaccination programs is neither correct nor helpful.
Neither is trying to isolate the many measures that help stop the spread of the virus and using them as points to argue over.
Masks alone won't eradicate it, vaccines alone won't. Neither will social distancing or mass testing on its own get rid of the virus. However, if we combine all of the methods we have at our disposal we can limit the impact of the virus on everyone and that has to be the ultimate aim and it will probably mean that at some point you'll encounter something that you don't necessarily agree with, but as part of a wholeview approach it'll be needed.
Lockdowns, extreme social distancing and blanket masking was the right approach at the time when we had zero defence against the virus and very little knowledge of it. The impacts on society were often extreme and costly, but they were deemed necessary to avoid mass deaths and the possible destruction of health care services.
As we've learned more we've adapted our approaches around the world, some approaches being more successful than others.
The biggest issue for me has always been the messaging around this and in particular the stupid 'Freedom Day' which has been seen by many as a signalling an end to it all. We are still in a pandemic, albeit a different phase of it and what we do now will determine how far down the road we get to where we can live with it.
People can deny and decry it all they like right now, from flat out denial, conspiracies and effectiveness of the measures we are using, but to me, the biggest analogy is that of climate change. We spent years denying it, downplaying it etc, but the evidence is now staring everyone in the face and ever more extreme weather events are now commonplace and our lack of effort in properly tackling it is costing lives across the globe.
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Climate change will be the reasoning used for the lockdowns in the coming years.

Ain't no vaccine we can take to get out of that.
 
Randy said:
This vaccine committee also said originally they wouldn't be vaccinating kids as there was no benefit to it when weighed up with he risk of death to kids and now look at what's going to happen when the 12-15 year olds go back to school.

The cynic in me thinks big pharma companies will continue to claim boosters are needed every year so they keep the bank accounts topped up. They aren't making and releasing them for free are they? Which you think they would do in the midst of pandemic.
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The JVCI said that when they didn't have any supply to do the kids (and hadn't yet done everyone older than the kids), it's prioritisation, which is fine, they had time to wait for kids, as they had zero supply to do kids.
But this then gets peddled by and abused by the tories and their media, sort of as a delaying tactic, and it's one of the reasons why we're also delaying it now. It's partially so the system doesn't come under bad press, largely to help the Tories.

So what they do is "wait on more data" (which was already visible, and has been for months, hence why it's been passed, for months), but now they can't refute the data or say it's not there (and more importantly now we have more supply), they will gradually roll it out.

The amount of vaccine we have, and have been able to use has been able to be calculated since early this year, when Scotland started publishing how many doses they were given by the UK (which is proportional to what England was give, per population), and we have known how many have been used etc. The rollout, and the peaks and thoughts were known in advance, so they easily know when we've had enough for kids (had enough pfizer). We haven't had that, but are getting there now.

It's basic politics, don't shoot down your only "win", when there's no point saying you should do something if you don't have the supplies to do it.
Wait until you have the supplies, then approve, then deliver, it's the best outcome for preserving votes. The problem is this time the rest of the EU have pretty much caught us up on vaccines, and have already started doing younger folk.

Nothing to do with "big pharma", they don't fake the antibody results, and aren't pushing 3rd does for those who don't need them, the immunologists are pushing them for those who need them, a load of who are independent.

Why would they make them for free? Would you? They've spent decades building a foundation of equipment and manpower, do they just pause all that?
They all have shareholders and are linked to the markets etc. Their entire company is based on trying to keep people alive, and then taking a cut for doing it. There are loads of companies making peoples health worse, and charging higher margins for it (fast food, fatty food, junk food, booze, supermarkets etc).

The vaccine situation with the tories is what I've been saying for about 6 months. The early part of the vaccine rollout was the Tory's "win", it's why they had their best ratings, but come autumn when the EU has caught up, the "win" fades, but we have more dead people (that doesn't fade), and then brexit becomes more visible, then their popularity slides (like it is doing).
 
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Right, I'll bite - nothing else to do, self-isolating as ironically I actually have Covid currently...

If masks, vaccines, restrictions in general have absolutely nothing to do with the disease, what is the "end-point" so to speak? If we've joined the dots around the world surely we can start to unveil motive?

I've got a sneaking suspicion this may ultimately lead to the basement of a pizza shop in Washington D.C but feel free to enlighten me....
 
Bring Vaccine Passports on ASAP especially for the match...I'm already sick of being forced into proximity with coughing and sneezing fools and that's after just 3 home games and it's not even main cold/flu season yet

Just imagine what it's going to be like in November/December if nothing changes. Some people are just petrified of needles and will perform any amount of mental gymnastics to avoid having an injection. Fair enough, but if adults refuse to have the vaccine for purely selfish reasons they should face some consequences, like being barred from large-scale public events
 
Evil said:
I find it quite amusing that people are LAUGHING at the very people who are trying to show people the other side.

The censorship of millions of adverse reactions and hundreds of thousands of deaths from the vaccines, is enough to worry me.

The coercive nature of only 106 governments with marketing campaigns, lockdowns, forced/coercive vaccination tacticts. Millions of people marching, across multiple cities, nations and continents.

Presidents of countries refusing the need for vaccines, suddenly dying.

Top virologists, epidemiologists, doctors, phd's etc - being censored and talked down in the media and on social media, including the very inventor of MRNA technology, what on earth would they do that for? The fact that ALL of the pharmaceutical companies involved are the biggest donators to MHRA, FDA & CDC - this doesn't ring alarm bells?

Hundreds of NHS whistleblowers, USA medical whistleblowers - this STILL is ignored.

It's baffling that a group of lads on a football message board think they know better than ALL of those people put together.

Trust the science?

I trust nothing until its proven, of which NONE of these vaccines are proven to be safe or effective - see Israel, Seychelles and even the UK - cases, hospitalizations all rising, despite MOST of the population vaccinated.
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Does the name 'Plazmuh' mean anything to you :)
 
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