VAR appalling yet again: Liverpool - Spurs

Scrote

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Two incidents involving Skipp.

1. Skipp almost removes Diaz's ankle and not seen by the ref so VAR can (and should) have instructed a red card.

2. Skipp getting his noggin taken off by Jota - very similar to the Blackburn lad against Fry - proper high foot and drawing blood from the head must be dangerous. Can't believe VAR didn't intervene.

Utter shambles yet again.

Bin it & burn it.
 
Two incidents involving Skipp.

1. Skipp almost removes Diaz's ankle and not seen by the ref so VAR can (and should) have instructed a red card.

2. Skipp getting his noggin taken off by Jota - very similar to the Blackburn lad against Fry - proper high foot and drawing blood from the head must be dangerous. Can't believe VAR didn't intervene.

Utter shambles yet again.

Bin it & burn it.
It’s not the VAR it’s the refs wanting their own control.

The cynic in me says it’s harder to influence results if you use VAR properly, it seems to only be in the premier league it causes problems, I wonder how that can be…?
 
Agreed, both were red cards, especially baffled in the second instance.


That is absolutely stonewall.
It's dangerous play.

It is, but it completely depends on what the ref has said to VAR. If the ref deems it not serious enough to warrant a red for whatever wrong reason, VAR cannot overrule that assessment.

The laws of VAR need changing to give more powers to VAR to recommend the ref review their original decision.

The whole point is that referee’s have a split second to make a decision and if that split second decision is wrong, it should be reviewed. The current laws render that split second decision more powerful than a VAR review in 99% of decisions.

It just makes the whole process pointless, either use it properly or not at all.
 
I think the issue with high boot and the reason why Jota should have been red carded was that Jota went into Skipps head with his studs. Whenever there’s a studs up infraction it’s usually a red so why Jota got off with a yellow is very dubious.
 
Two incidents involving Skipp.

1. Skipp almost removes Diaz's ankle and not seen by the ref so VAR can (and should) have instructed a red card.

2. Skipp getting his noggin taken off by Jota - very similar to the Blackburn lad against Fry - proper high foot and drawing blood from the head must be dangerous. Can't believe VAR didn't intervene.

Utter shambles yet again.

Bin it & burn it.

I agree again with the first one, I think it's reckless but, he made contact with the ball first so it turns into a subjective opinion.

Both instances should've been reviewed by ref on the seemingly forgotten about pitch side monitor.

The technology is there, but the officials just don't want to use it and that needs to change or we will always be stuck with rounds of useless apologies by PGMOL.
 
Weird thing is if you show your studs on somebody’s ankle you’re deemed to be out of control and a straight red, show your studs in someone’s head and it’s not???
 
Mido got a straight red for something similar v Arsenal.
I seem to remember that Mido just had eyes on the ball and the opponent came from the side/ behind him. So I thought it was very harsh at the time.

Although this could just be my memory playing tricks on me.
 
I can see why it wasn't given as a red. First and foremost, the referee had already given the foul and a yellow card so all VAR can do is recommend it being a red card if it's obviously an incorrect decision. It wasn't obviously incorrect because it is subjective so the on-field decision stands. Secondly, Jota is standing still, not diving in so he isn't recklessly throwing his whole body weight behind a tackle which is why studs up challenges are often given as a red. He's also gone for the ball and won the ball and it is the Spurs player putting his head in that causes the collision.

If it hadn't been called as a free-kick by the ref and no on-field decision had been made then VAR might have intervened and recommended a red. It would still be up to the ref to decide though by looking at the monitor.

One of those where it can go either way. It's clearly not malicious. It wasn't dangerously high, he's only 5"10' and has got his foot on the ball with his other foot still on the ground. The fact that the other player has had a cut head makes it look worse than it is. We don't hand out punishments based on injuries because you can make a good tackle and injure a player and a horrific tackle and not injure a player. Punishments are decided based on the likelihood of a tackle being dangerous. High foot that doesn't make contact isn't necessarily dangerous so it's unfair to punish a player making a good tackle because the outcome has been worse than expected.
 
Souness makes the obvious and fundamental point that VAR itself isn't the issue, its the officials watching it.

As a concept it makes absolute sense, but the application isn't working as well as it should.

The way it's applied seems to have shifted recently, with a deliberate effort to 'interfere' less, which let's the game flow better, but consequently sees some incidents go unpunished, or not punished enough.
 
Is the teething period for VAR over? i.e. are we seeing it at it maximum now with it bedded in?

If so I think its fair to say it fair from perfect, because there is still a high degree of human interpretation.

My conclusion is that it has improved the quality of decisions, but only slightly and that has to be balanced with how we have lost some of the the magic of when a goal is scored when it takes 1 to 2 minutes to make a decision.
 
Two incidents involving Skipp.

1. Skipp almost removes Diaz's ankle and not seen by the ref so VAR can (and should) have instructed a red card.

2. Skipp getting his noggin taken off by Jota - very similar to the Blackburn lad against Fry - proper high foot and drawing blood from the head must be dangerous. Can't believe VAR didn't intervene.

Utter shambles yet again.

Bin it & burn it.
High foot rule needs to be enforced better or looked at. Just needs an outright ban imo, if players in vicinity.

How can a player not instantly get a red card for feet at waist - head height, and yet if someone slide tackles with their foot 100mm off the deck then everyone has a meltdown.

High feet are far more dangerous than arms, and I’d rather be slapped or probably even punched than have someone potentially booting me in the face.
 
Is the teething period for VAR over? i.e. are we seeing it at it maximum now with it bedded in?

If so I think its fair to say it fair from perfect, because there is still a high degree of human interpretation.

My conclusion is that it has improved the quality of decisions, but only slightly and that has to be balanced with how we have lost some of the the magic of when a goal is scored when it takes 1 to 2 minutes to make a decision.
It’s an implementation problem, and seems worse in the Prem than Europe or internationals. It’s just weak refereeing/ VAR teams, scared to make big decisions.

If they gave the refs better protection from players and managers getting in their face it would help.

Every other sport manages to officiate and review well, like Rugby, NFL, Hockey. Even sports like cricket and tennis get it right 99% of the time and under harder circumstances.

Put 10 people on a var panel, 5 refs, 5 ex pro’s. Make the conversations/ reasoning public, and whilst they’re at it mic up the refs. Harsh punishments on blatant diving (and other cheating) too.
 
Put 10 people on a var panel, 5 refs, 5 ex pro’s. Make the conversations/ reasoning public, and whilst they’re at it mic up the refs.
On Sky this morning the two ex-players disagreed with the ex-ref. There's a fundamental problem if the people being officiated interpret the rules differently from those officiating.

Micing up the refs would be a huge step in the right direction. Being able to question decisions directly after a game before they've had a chance to review would also help.

VAR is just another place for bad decisions to be made and has added nothing to the game. Goal-line technology worked well. VAR is a farce.
 
On Sky this morning the two ex-players disagreed with the ex-ref. There's a fundamental problem if the people being officiated interpret the rules differently from those officiating.

Micing up the refs would be a huge step in the right direction. Being able to question decisions directly after a game before they've had a chance to review would also help.

VAR is just another place for bad decisions to be made and has added nothing to the game. Goal-line technology worked well. VAR is a farce.
Half the problem is the players don’t know the rules, not to the letter anyway, but any ex player on a var panel would obviously do a course. Nobody is saying they should be ref, but the brighter ones could handle var easily.

A ref will never likely understand though, even most fans couldn’t, for a lot of decisions.

Like fouls as one example. They refs just don’t get what minor contact at high speed can do, even if players don’t go down it’s still a foul. These don’t get given as fouls though, so then players have to make the most of it, and then from that comes diving and people trailing a foot to get fouled etc. It’s like a snowball effect.

It’s all caused by an understanding of the rules, and thinking this is an understand of the game, and it isn’t.

FIFA/ the FA don't help the refs though either. Its 2023, why are players and managers still getting in the refs face? In any other sport if you do that you end up in the stands. Protect the refs and var better, and they’ll make better decisions.

VAR still gets a lot more right than wrong, but it should be 99% correct, and never used as a bailout.

VAR shouldn’t be used for offsides how it is either, if they think they need to get the lines out, and can’t decide without them, then stick with the original decision.
 
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