VAR Forest vs Southampton

[Johngannonsunderpants]

If that's a sign of things to come in the premiership I won't be sad if we don't get there.
2 absolutely woeful penalty decisions not overturned. What is the point.

The first makes no sense. As the defender is about to clear the ball, Johnson (who is behind the defender and makes no attempt to play the ball and is not in possession) lunges forward and gets his foot in between ball and player (he can't reach the ball). He subsequently blocks the ball being played and gets kicked. It's a free kick the other way not a penalty.
I get it in other circumstances when someone nips in and takes possession of the ball, but this was ridiculous.

The Southampton pen just wasn't one.

VAR is pointless. It's changed nothing. People saying "yeah but it gets some of them right" is nonsense. Refs get some of them right. It needs to change or it needs to go.

 

[FishofContemplation]

I’ve not seen the incident so I’m going by your narrative but I don’t see what offence is committed except by the player who kicks an opponent. Which if I’ve understood correctly was the defender.

 

[Muttley]

Watched some of the game last night and much as I still harbour a grudge against Steve "Classy" Cooper, even I wouldn't have overturned the Forest penalty. I can't say I recall much about t'other un.

 

[Brian Marwood]

Johnson (who is behind the defender and makes no attempt to play the ball and is not in possession) lunges forward and gets his foot in between ball and player (he can't reach the ball).

I thought I saw Johnson touch the ball before his leg is kicked. 100% a penalty in my opinion.

 

[WilliamMunny]

The Forest one was a clear penalty. The defender kicks Johnson’s foot, Johnson does not kick the defender. Hard to see why it’s even debatable but it sure as hell wasn’t a clear and obvious error for VAR to overturn.

The Southampton one was soft, but I think there was contact and in the modern game is probably a pen.

 

[TeaCider]

Thought they were both penalties.

Especially the Forest one, and I wanted Forest to lose.

 

[Johngannonsunderpants]

Yeah I've seen a close up, and he gets a tiny touch on the ball which completely ruins my argument. I still don't think it's a pen though, it more of a tackle and then contact and outside of the box wouldn't get a free kick half of the time.

If they are both pens then football should be a non contact sport.

 

[Marvanelli]

Saw both incidents last night, both live and after replays and I thought the referee got both decisions correct.

Didn't even need VAR last night, other than for the offside goal for Felipe.

 

[Jonny Ingbar]

needs to change or it needs to go.

It needs to improve, that's obvious, but I think overall its better than not having it, thus far.

The issue is the people making the decisions, not the system itself, which are woefully inconsistent.

 

[Muttley]

Didn't even need VAR last night, other than for the offside goal for Felipe.

Yeah that was a real shame a cracking goal. Rightly ruled out offside but took far too long for a decision that was screamingly obvious at the first replay.

 

[1finny]

There was a ref on BT sport the other week who explained it well.
VAR is not there (in its current format) to say whether something is a penalty or not.
It is there to say whether the ref has made a clear and obvious error.

So someone looks at the incident and subjectively decides if the original subjective decision is understandable.
That was my subjective understanding anyway

On that basis - what can possibly go wrong?

 

[Andy_W]

Two penalties were given, and I thought it was right to review them both on VAR, and VAR gave the correct result, and sided with the ref.

Also gave an offside correct at the end, changing an original incorrect decision.

First one, defender was too casual, and Johnson could have nicked it and took it to the side, in the box (where the defender for it again), Johnson got there first so effectively won the ball (wihthout fouling), then got took out. Penalty all day long, even enough to turn around the decision if it had not originally been given.




Second, the penalty was originally given, Southampton lad was in possession, then got kicked, which is a penalty, and VAR woudl ahve turned this around had it not been given also.



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[Tryasize10]

Yeah I've seen a close up, and he gets a tiny touch on the ball which completely ruins my argument. I still don't think it's a pen though, it more of a tackle and then contact and outside of the box wouldn't get a free kick half of the time.

If they are both pens then football should be a non contact sport.

I know what you mean on this. It's happening more and more where the attacking player comes from the blindside as a defender is going for a clearance. They know if they get their foot in the way then they will win a pen.