We really should play Forss up top in my opinion!

Heam44

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(Certainly whilst LL and JC are injured).

For several reasons.

Obviously as - He’s the best finisher we have.

Also, great movement in and around the box.

And I suppose all of the other reasons are are due to his pace I.e he’s got the pace to get on the end of through balls and actually get in on goal and get a shot away.

He can run the channels whilst still have the quality to then create chances for the oncoming midfielders.

Him having that extra yard of pace should mean defences drop a little deeper and give our midfielders that extra bit of space to create. And we’ve got some tidy midfielders that should be able to create plenty of chances.
 
Heam44 said:
(Certainly whilst LL and JC are injured).

For several reasons.

Obviously as - He’s the best finisher we have.

Also, great movement in and around the box.

And I suppose all of the other reasons are are due to his pace I.e he’s got the pace to get on the end of through balls and actually get in on goal and get a shot away.

He can run the channels whilst still have the quality to then create chances for the oncoming midfielders.

Him having that extra yard of pace should mean defences drop a little deeper and give our midfielders that extra bit of space to create. And we’ve got some tidy midfielders that should be able to create plenty of chances.
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So.. who do we play right wing?
 
newyddion said:
So.. who do we play right wing?
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Play greenwood left , Azaz in the ten , Silvera right , Forss up top ...
Watch Forss get bullied up top by two centre halves.
Watch none of the three behind Forss actually keep the ball effectively, or have any real defensive effort in their own half.
Leave the full backs exposed ( right side especially)
Blame everyone apart from the three behind Forss for any goal ( especially the left back )

Or leave Forss wide right , scoring a goal a game as is ,... ( How many more do people expect him to score )
Bring Mcgree in left .. play literally Anyone else of greenwood/ silvera/ crooks / Gilbert or Hoppe up top ... Until lath / coburn are fit
 
outoftown said:
Play greenwood left , Azaz in the ten , Silvera right , Forss up top ...
Watch Forss get bullied up top by two centre halves.
Watch none of the three behind Forss actually keep the ball effectively, or have any real defensive effort in their own half.
Leave the full backs exposed ( right side especially)
Blame everyone apart from the three behind Forss for any goal ( especially the left back )

Or leave Forss wide right , scoring a goal a game as is ,... ( How many more do people expect him to score )
Bring Mcgree in left .. play literally Anyone else of greenwood/ silvera/ crooks / Gilbert or Hoppe up top ... Until lath / coburn are fit
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He plays wide right to give cover to the right back. Both he and jones get through a lot of work tracking back. If they didn't our right side would be as vulnerable as our left. We already concede too many goals and weakening our defence isn't the answer.
 
I simply cant see it ever happing. It's clear Carrick doesn't fancy him as a No9. That or just sees him as our best option on the Right.

It's a strange one. He's without a doubt or best finisher so you'd want him down the middle. He's also spent the large majority of his career playing nothing but a No9.

It would be more of a question had Jones been fit. I mean at some point he's going to have to get both in our starting 11. We don't really have a right option if you stick Forss down the middle with Jones out.

I'd love to see him being given 3-5 games as a genuine CF. Yet it may cause more issues defensively on the right. We've already seen how bad we are on the left. Engel often hungout to dry by nobody covering him.

It's funny that he's on the right for his workrate and tracking back. Yet both Brentford and Hull fans said he'd nothing but a goal 'poacher' and offers little else. So we definitely coached / developed that side of his game.

He's been a terrific signing. I'm pretty sure he'd love to have a run down the middle. I'm sure he wouldn't of missed the majority of chances that have gone begging whilst he's been out.

Any remote chance of us maintaining a playoff push is dependent on him staying fit. That's on the Right or down the middle. I guess does it really matter if he's scoring off the Right? He's still getting into goal scoring positions.
 
I'd like to see him up top - but as others have said, only if we have jones playing on the right, mcgree/greenwood from the left (who gets through an awful lot of uncredited work btw) and azaz as a 10. That should give the appropriate balance to the side.
 
I've said for a while for him to play upfront as he's the best finisher we have, but I'm not so sure he gets the space and gets into the positions he does now if he was playing there as the focal striker of the team with more defensive eyes on him.
 
But what happens to him when Jones is fit? Forss is playing to good to be dropped
 
KDG said:
But what happens to him when Jones is fit? Forss is playing to good to be dropped
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I'd guess he goes either upfront, out left cutting inside, or in the 10. MC has to get a system where he gets the best out of the pair of them if we're to be successful.
 
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I like Forss playing on the right. He's our best player playing in that position. I wouldnt change it when it's working. Moving him to centre forward won't automatically mean he'll get more goals.

He has 5 Goals and 2 Assists from 498 mins of football from that position this season. Or 1.27 goal contributions per 90 mins played.
That's more than double out next most productive players who are Rogers, Coburn and Crooks who each have 0.55, 0.54 and 0.53 respectively. And 4 times more productive than Jones.

It's a small sample for Forss and I doubt he can maintain that sort of rate but even still it shows he's very effective playing in that position. I don't see the sense in moving him. I think we need to find another solution for the striker.
 
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B_G said:
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I like Forss playing on the right. He's our best player playing in that position. I wouldnt change it when it's working. Moving him to centre forward won't automatically mean he'll get more goals.

He's has 5 Goals and 2 Assists from 498 mins of football from that position this season. Or 1.27 goal contributions per 90 mins played.
That's more than double out next most productive players who are Rogers, Coburn and Crooks who each have 0.55, 0.54 and 0.53 respectively. And 4 times more productive than Jones.

It's a small sample for Forss and I doubt he can maintain that sort of rate but even still it shows he's very effective playing in that position. I don't see the sense in moving him. I think we need to find another solution for the striker.
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Totally agree, the idea you'd move him to the centre and he'd get more goals doesn't necesssarily stack up. He really profits moving
into that area inside the full back
 
B_G said:
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I like Forss playing on the right. He's our best player playing in that position. I wouldnt change it when it's working. Moving him to centre forward won't automatically mean he'll get more goals.

He's has 5 Goals and 2 Assists from 498 mins of football from that position this season. Or 1.27 goal contributions per 90 mins played.
That's more than double out next most productive players who are Rogers, Coburn and Crooks who each have 0.55, 0.54 and 0.53 respectively. And 4 times more productive than Jones.

It's a small sample for Forss and I doubt he can maintain that sort of rate but even still it shows he's very effective playing in that position. I don't see the sense in moving him. I think we need to find another solution for the striker.
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I'd agree with the analysis of Forss, however, when Jones is fit, I'd have Jones in the side at RW every time. He changes the spaces available to other players with his pace and positioning. It forces the opposition to defend deeper. Having jones out the last couple of matches has highlighted his importance to us, we are so pedestrian without his pace and ability to get us up the pitch.
 
B_G said:
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I like Forss playing on the right. He's our best player playing in that position. I wouldnt change it when it's working. Moving him to centre forward won't automatically mean he'll get more goals.

He's has 5 Goals and 2 Assists from 498 mins of football from that position this season. Or 1.27 goal contributions per 90 mins played.
That's more than double out next most productive players who are Rogers, Coburn and Crooks who each have 0.55, 0.54 and 0.53 respectively. And 4 times more productive than Jones.

It's a small sample for Forss and I doubt he can maintain that sort of rate but even still it shows he's very effective playing in that position. I don't see the sense in moving him. I think we need to find another solution for the striker.
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MickaelDebevePhenomenal said:
I'd agree with the analysis of Forss, however, when Jones is fit, I'd have Jones in the side at RW every time. He changes the spaces available to other players with his pace and positioning. It forces the opposition to defend deeper. Having jones out the last couple of matches has highlighted his importance to us, we are so pedestrian without his pace and ability to get us up the pitch.
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I'm probably in the minority where I would leave Jones out the team. I think Forss is better in that position both as a goal threat and I actually think he's also a better defender. I wouldn't consider him at RB in the 4-2-3-1 system so I just don't see where he fits. I don't think Jones is a bad player. I like him. I just prefer Forss and wouldn't move him to accommodate Jones. I'd use Jones as an impact sub.

McGree is a bigger miss to the team than Jones and should improve us when he comes back in.

We need goalscorers in the team. Our top scorer in the league this season has 5 goals. (Excluding Azaz who has 7 for Plymouth).
Jones - 5 in 1833 Mins
Greenwood - 5 in 1509 Mins
Coburn - 5 in 996 mins
Lath - 5 in 966 mins
Forss - 5 in 498 mins
 
Ebor said:
This has been covered so, so many times :rolleyes:

Forrs can track back efficiently (like Jones). It's part of the team plan
See the Sunderland goal
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The Sunderland goal where both Ayling and Howson were with Clarke?

The one where Fry still got sucked in, which meant he was slow to track the runner causing RVB to move across with the runner?

The one where nobody tracked the goal scorer?

The one that Glover should definitely have saved!!

That Sunderland goal?

Yeah was definitely a goal that should have been prevented by a right winger tracking back.
 
Heam44 said:
Silvera / McGree / Azaz / Greenwood
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Silvera has shown all season that he doesn't fulfill the required defense responsibilities and ball retention to currently start in the championship wide right.

Why would you move any of the other three to a position they haven't played this year?

In the hope Forss scores MORE than a goal every 100 mins?

If Jones was fit, there's a definite argument to be had, but he's not.
 
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