Who actually wants Wilder sacked?

TeaCider said:
It depends what Gibson's mindset is to me.

We're nowhere near the point where it's too late to avoid relegation.
We could conceivably be 2 points off the play-offs next week, it's still very early.
Obviously with our current form, we're just as likely to be 5-8 points off, but I don't think there's any imminent risk of relegation just yet.

Wilder still has a year and a half on his contract, so that's probably over a million to pay off if we do end it early, and I'm not sure who we'd bring in.
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I heard from an unreliable source that wilder was only on a 12 month contract!
 
Boro999 said:
I still don't get this burnley cr@p. He was never going anywhere, just because he didn't say it instantly doesn't mean he was going.
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Or because he didn't say anything instantly maybe there was something in it.
Don't want him sacked but if he left I would not be bothered either.
 
If we sack him it won’t change the fact 3/4 of the championship have a better midfield or we don’t have a striker capable of 15 goals.

I fully expect he will be sacked in line with the chaotic way Gibson likes to run this club but it won’t change anything. Write this season off, rebuild and go again next season, not like we haven’t tried that the last 6 years

Wouldn’t blame Wilder for walking anyway, got huge money for two players and reinvested barely anything. Best player left and we replaced him with a loan that couldn’t get into another championship team then ended up scraping around for free transfers. After last season it showed we weren’t far away at all but Gibson has again allowed us to go backwards
 
It’s crazy to chop and change your manager every season but until SG realizes that bringing in managers who perhaps have bigger ambitions than our club then perhaps we’ll be caught in this endless scenario. Personally I’d want to keep Wilder but based on what I’m seeing on the pitch where the players seem almost alien from where we were in January/February then you have to wonder what is going on.
 
Expat Smoggie said:
It’s crazy to chop and change your manager every season but until SG realizes that bringing in managers who perhaps have bigger ambitions than our club then perhaps we’ll be caught in this endless scenario. Personally I’d want to keep Wilder but based on what I’m seeing on the pitch where the players seem almost alien from where we were in January/February then you have to wonder what is going on.
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He’s put a lot on his first choice players.. some are not up to scratch and the rest we didn’t sign.

Steffen - his first choice (injured)
McNair - his first choice over Dijksteel
Lenihan - his first choice (injured) over Fry
Clarke - his first choice over Bola & McNair
Howson - wilder wanted a new DM
Mowett - the best we could hope for
McGree - isn’t a number 10
Muniz - he’s great, better with a strike partner
7 - didn’t replace Tavernier
10 - didn’t bother at all
11 - all eggs in the Akpom basket
 
Expat Smoggie said:
It’s crazy to chop and change your manager every season but until SG realizes that bringing in managers who perhaps have bigger ambitions than our club then perhaps we’ll be caught in this endless scenario. Personally I’d want to keep Wilder but based on what I’m seeing on the pitch where the players seem almost alien from where we were in January/February then you have to wonder what is going on.
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Couldn't disagree more. I would go as far as to say that we should never sign anyone that sees us as the peak of their career, player or manager. We should only be signing players with the ambition to make it to the top and we should only be signing managers that want the same. The only way that anyone achieves that is by performing. It's exactly what you want. We're not a top team so we can't be signing Haaland type players. We need to make ourselves be seen as a stepping stone.

For far too long we've filled our squad, and backroom, with people that are comfortable. They have no drive to improve themselves or us. You can almost count on one hand the number of players or managers that have gone on to better things after us. That's a really poor record, particularly for players with our supposedly excellent academy.

If you sign championship players then you end up with a championship squad. You have to be looking for players (and managers) that are premier league quality but not getting their opportunity in the PL for whatever reason. Those reasons could be age, previous injuries, wrong place and time etc.
 
I'd definitely give him the rest of the season as there are plenty of games left for us to turn it around, we still need to improve the squad in January which could be the deciding factor on his future here.
 
Interesting that if he was to leave then we’d be the only club in a 20-year career in management where he hadn’t been considered a success. Which suggests that a)he’ll need more time to build it in the way he wants to, and/or b)there are issues elsewhere in our club that have hampered him that he hasn’t had to work with in the past.

Boro would be absolutely mad to sack him now IMO. You can’t just dismiss his track record, or scrap a mid-to-longer term project when you’re less than a year into it. Clubs who do that are almost never successful(Chelsea do it but they have billionaire owners).

If he has been trying to get other jobs or touting himself avoid being Gibson’s back then that’s very different and I wouldn’t blame the chairman for getting rid of him. But there’s just no evidence to say he’s been doing that. These online rumours are really damaging IMO, they’re counter-productive and actually quite malicious. They’re based on him not ruling himself out of the running for another job when asked in the immediate aftermath of a game. People harbouring a grudge about that 5 or 6 months later and using it as fuel for other rumours and/or outright lies are very sad people. They’re getting right on my t*ts TBH.
 
18MFC76 said:
Obviously the rumours are doing the rounds. Would be interesting to see how many people on the board actually want him sacked. Personally I think the club let Wilder down a bit in the window. He won't be happy with the current state of the squad, particularly the midfield.
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sacked? No

But if he's lured to Bournemouth we'll get a couple of mill compensation. I wouldn't see that as the worst situation in the world, to be honest.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
Interesting that if he was to leave then we’d be the only club in a 20-year career in management where he hadn’t been considered a success. Which suggests that a)he’ll need more time to build it in the way he wants to, and/or b)there are issues elsewhere in our club that have hampered him that he hasn’t had to work with in the past.

Boro would be absolutely mad to sack him now IMO. You can’t just dismiss his track record, or scrap a mid-to-longer term project when you’re less than a year into it. Clubs who do that are almost never successful(Chelsea do it but they have billionaire owners).

If he has been trying to get other jobs or touting himself avoid being Gibson’s back then that’s very different and I wouldn’t blame the chairman for getting rid of him. But there’s just no evidence to say he’s been doing that. These online rumours are really damaging IMO, they’re counter-productive and actually quite malicious. They’re based on him not ruling himself out of the running for another job when asked in the immediate aftermath of a game. People harbouring a grudge about that 5 or 6 months later and using it as fuel for other rumours and/or outright lies are very sad people. They’re getting right on my t*ts TBH.
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It completely depends on the reason why he was successful elsewhere. He might have been successful because his system was unique and countered the typical styles of the times. If people are familiar with things like online gaming then they would have heard the term "meta" being used regularly. That is basically where a certain setup has advantages over others and whoever discovers it first gets a big boost in ranking beating people they shouldn't until everyone else is also using that setup and then the counter to that setup becomes the best option aka the "new meta". This applies to all games that are competitive and football is no different.

We know Wilder has a unique system but the whole press from the front thing is much less effective now that teams have filled their defences with ball playing centre backs and can play through presses. The overloads from the centre backs are no longer a surprise and can be countered with an effective counter attack.

Was he successful because of his ability to man manage people, manage a game effectively by making the right changes at the right time, alter his system to suit the changes within football etc or did he find a system that worked and stuck with it? If it is the latter then there comes a time when the system stops working because everyone knows it and they know the counters to it. I'd guess that his 1st season in the PL with Sheff Utd showed it working and it got a lot of attention and analysis but then his 2nd season showed what happens when teams know what you are going to do.

My guess would be that he has probably been a bit of both across his career but his abilities as a manager are only good and not great where his system was great but is now too easy to counter and he's out of ideas. His good abilities were enough in the lower leagues but more than good is needed at the higher levels.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
Interesting that if he was to leave then we’d be the only club in a 20-year career in management where he hadn’t been considered a success. Which suggests that a)he’ll need more time to build it in the way he wants to, and/or b)there are issues elsewhere in our club that have hampered him that he hasn’t had to work with in the past.

Boro would be absolutely mad to sack him now IMO. You can’t just dismiss his track record, or scrap a mid-to-longer term project when you’re less than a year into it. Clubs who do that are almost never successful(Chelsea do it but they have billionaire owners).

If he has been trying to get other jobs or touting himself avoid being Gibson’s back then that’s very different and I wouldn’t blame the chairman for getting rid of him. But there’s just no evidence to say he’s been doing that. These online rumours are really damaging IMO, they’re counter-productive and actually quite malicious. They’re based on him not ruling himself out of the running for another job when asked in the immediate aftermath of a game. People harbouring a grudge about that 5 or 6 months later and using it as fuel for other rumours and/or outright lies are very sad people. They’re getting right on my t*ts TBH.
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100%

As long as we're in no danger of going down (and I'd be very shocked if that ends up being the case) then I'm happy to give him as long as he wants.

People seem to be operating under the illusion we've spent big this summer. We thought we were going to, we brought in big fees but for whatever reason we've not spent it. It's an unbalanced squad.

We should still be doing better obviously, but 5 points more, which we could easily have with exactly the same performances but with a couple of moments going our way, and no-one would be moaning.

People see what they want to see. Results are crap (and they have been) then suddenly it's obvious the players aren't playing for him or his tactics are a disaster or there's falling out behind the scenes. There's no clear evidence for any of that though.

When he talks about recruitment, he talks about improving it and him being involved in that improvement. Doesn't sound like a manager trying to jump ship at the first opportunity that. Sounds like a manager more committed to a longer term project.
 
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