Why hasn't this man been named

24 weeks means he will serve 12 weeks inside if he keeps his head down.

Assaulting Police Officers, or any emergency service worker for that matter should mean a much longer sentence in my view. Our justice system is a joke and rather than act as a deterrent, it seems nothing more than a minor irritant to criminals and, the amount of public money that gets wasted on legal aid for their spurious defences and often made up mitigations boils my blood.
 
24 weeks does sound very lenient Coluka given the nature of the attack. What I would add, even if he got 3 years it wouldn't act as a deterrent, prison sentences seldom do.
Also the pc, Insull, I think his name is, is tiny.
 
Laughing said:
24 weeks does sound very lenient Coluka given the nature of the attack. What I would add, even if he got 3 years it wouldn't act as a deterrent, prison sentences seldom do.
Also the pc, Insull, I think his name is, is tiny.
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I would argue that sentences are rarely seen as a deterrent too. I would argue 3 years was toosoft and insufficient a deterrent. He assaulted officers on 4 occasions, resisted arrest, damaged a hotel room, although not charged for, he was causing nuisance alarm and distress to the women he was with and the guests next door. His actions also caused expense to the NHS for treatments and costs of pava spray x 2 and a taser discharge as well as police time and damage in hotel. He may not have even paid his hotel bill.

Down to me, that warrants a lot more than 3 years, I would go as far as to say 3 years per officer is right and bill him for the emergency services time involved of all services inc NHS, and costs of police equipment and hotel losses too. I would hit them hard so sentences were a deterrent to some. Clearly even that wouldn’t deter everyone but the harder we hit criminals, I would be shocked if crime did not reduce, especially violent crime.

I appreciate many will disagree with my outlook, but we pander far too much on the needs of the criminals and far too little to victims of crime imho.
 
coluka said:
I would argue that sentences are rarely seen as a deterrent too. I would argue 3 years was toosoft and insufficient a deterrent. He assaulted officers on 4 occasions, resisted arrest, damaged a hotel room, although not charged for, he was causing nuisance alarm and distress to the women he was with and the guests next door. His actions also caused expense to the NHS for treatments and costs of pava spray x 2 and a taser discharge as well as police time and damage in hotel. He may not have even paid his hotel bill.

Down to me, that warrants a lot more than 3 years, I would go as far as to say 3 years per officer is right and bill him for the emergency services time involved of all services inc NHS, and costs of police equipment and hotel losses too. I would hit them hard so sentences were a deterrent to some. Clearly even that wouldn’t deter everyone but the harder we hit criminals, I would be shocked if crime did not reduce, especially violent crime.

I appreciate many will disagree with my outlook, but we pander far too much on the needs of the criminals and far too little to victims of crime imho.
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There aren’t enough prison places for that type of sentencing. Last year magistrates courts had their powers of sentence for a single relevance offence extended up to 12 months custody from 6 months.

Next week that power gets taken off them and they go back to having a maximum of 6 months imprisonment for one relevant offence up a maximum of 12 months for two relevant offences.

The prisons population is simply too big for the estate to cope apparently with the actions of the courts.
 
Angus said:
There aren’t enough prison places for that type of sentencing. Last year magistrates courts had their powers of sentence for a single relevance offence extended up to 12 months custody from 6 months.

Next week that power gets taken off them and they go back to having a maximum of 6 months imprisonment for one relevant offence up a maximum of 12 months for two relevant offences.

The prisons population is simply too big for the estate to cope apparently with the actions of the courts.
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There is also a very good argument that sentencing had to be proportional. If he got 3 years for each offence its a15 year life sentence. He might as well kill the cops to make his escape.
 
Angus said:
There aren’t enough prison places for that type of sentencing. Last year magistrates courts had their powers of sentence for a single relevance offence extended up to 12 months custody from 6 months.

Next week that power gets taken off them and they go back to having a maximum of 6 months imprisonment for one relevant offence up a maximum of 12 months for two relevant offences.

The prisons population is simply too big for the estate to cope apparently with the actions of the courts.
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Yeah I appreciate the lack of places etc, too many years of being soft on crime and not addressing the many societal causes means it will not change, whoever has power.
 
Laughing said:
There is also a very good argument that sentencing had to be proportional. If he got 3 years for each offence its a15 year life sentence. He might as well kill the cops to make his escape.
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I do accept and appreciate your point about proportionality. It would be 12 yrs however based on 4 assaults, not 15, but its a moot point. If life meant life and sentences were not reduced then it would be a start for me, doing nothing or keeping the status quo is not an option as i see it, but my view counts for nought in the lack of justice system.
 
coluka said:
I do accept and appreciate your point about proportionality. It would be 12 yrs however based on 4 assaults, not 15, but its a moot point. If life meant life and sentences were not reduced then it would be a start for me, doing nothing or keeping the status quo is not an option as i see it, but my view counts for nought in the lack of justice system.
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To be fair there were other offences outside the assaults. Not really relevant, as you say.

I would like to see a judicial system based on rehab, I mean serious rehab with victim meets, skills and education, both in the cost of their crime and to enable them to function on release.

It makes much more financial sense, but its an incredibly difficult sell to the electorate which is why our system is punative.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
He's assaulted four police officers and hasn't been named - It sounds like there's a rabbit off to me, I wonder what there is to hide?




www.gazettelive.co.uk

Boozy hotel room thug launched vicious attack on four police officers

Four police officers have been commended for their bravery
www.gazettelive.co.uk www.gazettelive.co.uk
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Probably so he doesn’t receive the inevitable hero worship he would have from the large number of plonkers that exist.

Which would also give some other plonkers ideas of obtaining the same “respect”.
 
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