Why isn't the Tees Metro being mentioned again?

exeterboro

exeterboro

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Very good idea when it was proposed in the early 2000's , a fast , modern train network covering up to about 650,000 people , and a then busy regional airport. Obviously it went t*ts up with the economic crash in 2008 and then the slash and burn of the Tories getting back in.
I assumed with the freed up finance of the HS2 being cut it would be on the table again , I have seen several projects listed around the north east as a result of this but they are all Newcastle and Sunderland centred, no offence but that is where regional spending has gone prior so shouldn't it be more fairly spread now , when we have the opportunity?
 
exeterboro said:
Very good idea when it was proposed in the early 2000's , a fast , modern train network covering up to about 650,000 people , and a then busy regional airport. Obviously it went t*ts up with the economic crash in 2008 and then the slash and burn of the Tories getting back in.
I assumed with the freed up finance of the HS2 being cut it would be on the table again , I have seen several projects listed around the north east as a result of this but they are all Newcastle and Sunderland centred, no offence but that is where regional spending has gone prior so shouldn't it be more fairly spread now , when we have the opportunity?
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The 2000s announcement was about the third time this had been proposed. I remember tdc mentioning it in 90s and it also bring mentioned in 80s. I am willing to bet that when Teesside was created it was discussed as well but that was before my time.

Not saying it would be a bad thing but they always talk about using current railway lines which are not much good for today's housing estates.
 
junos_boots said:
The 2000s announcement was about the third time this had been proposed. I remember tdc mentioning it in 90s and it also bring mentioned in 80s. I am willing to bet that when Teesside was created it was discussed as well but that was before my time.

Not saying it would be a bad thing but they always talk about using current railway lines which are not much good for today's housing estates.
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Whether you agree with the post of Tees Valley Mayor, and I know a lot of posters can't stand him, at least whiles he here this is is the type of project which he should be speaking out about and pushing for, I can't understand why he isn't.
I had look at a website about travel in the Tees Valley area and they mentioned electrifying lines up to Saltburn from Darlo, the Northallerton, Yarm , Stockton and Hartlepool stretches, the advantage of this is it allows modern quieter fleets of train which are less noisy than diesel which would resolve the noise issues.
 
exeterboro said:
I had look at a website about travel in the Tees Valley area and they mentioned electrifying lines up to Saltburn from Darlo, the Northallerton, Yarm , Stockton and Hartlepool stretches, the advantage of this is it allows modern quieter fleets of train which are less noisy than diesel which would resolve the noise issues.
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Steady on. Saltburn to Darlo only got real trains a couple of years ago.

Electric trains is crazy talk. I can't imagine it is remotely cost-effective. Return on capital would take about a century.
 
There was also the Stockton-Middlesbrough Initiative - building on all the land in between - that seemed to just slowly be wound down to nothing
 
This talk of cost effective is always used in the discussion for projects in the Tees area, and there is a never a push from local communities to have these projects we keep missing out while elsewhere they just spend the money, , and then they get the increased revenue from people using better services. Tees Valley trains would be the same don't look at it at as existing revenues, look at it as a network which lots more people would rely on because it would be quicker and betterand it would have connections to further afield such a fast efficient Trans penine system, if we didn't electrify and the rest of the line did we just become an outpost with very poor public transport.
 
i'll say it - Trams in the centres (Boro Eston Redcar, Thornaby, Bilinghan, Stockton - creates jobs & careers, in construction, operation and maintenance - it takes some bus' off the road - bus drivers could become tram drivers if they so wished - the tram system in Croydon has taken millions of car journeys out of the equation.

& a joint regional adventure to engineer a single track link from the Edinburgh/newcastle stop (see below) - and then on to Sunderland - Hartlepool - Middlesbrough with a further link to Darlington & York from the Middlesbrough Hub - A MAGLEV Line Publicly owned - 25mins from Edinburgh to York !!.

2 principle reasons for doing it - 1.1 a Maglev rail link between (these 4 stops Only) Glasgow - Edinburgh - Newcastle - Leeds - - is already being mooted - if the more coastal towns along the NE Coast are to survive in any meaningful way we will need a matching rail link - the journey times for these magnetic trains can be justified across a few different criteria - cheaper faster and quicker to build than steel wheel railways - it will provide construction and maintenance jobs - it wil thrash times to get around the region, and thats good for local business, attractions and produce.

1.2 - The Environment - in every other part of the world that has a Maglev - car journeys have dropped, there would be no reason thats very obvious as to why car usage wouldnt drop here - Sunderland to Middlesbrough would take about 4 minutes - Middlesbrough to Newcastle 6 minutes. Boro to York 6.5 minutes ! - Boro to Darlo 1 m 😇 - there is no electricity, no diesel, or any fuel - it works with Magnets.
 
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exeterboro said:
Whether you agree with the post of Tees Valley Mayor, and I know a lot of posters can't stand him, at least whiles he here this is is the type of project which he should be speaking out about and pushing for, I can't understand why he isn't.
I had look at a website about travel in the Tees Valley area and they mentioned electrifying lines up to Saltburn from Darlo, the Northallerton, Yarm , Stockton and Hartlepool stretches, the advantage of this is it allows modern quieter fleets of train which are less noisy than diesel which would resolve the noise issues.
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Probably because the transport budget has been spent many times over on the airport
But that argument/ debate has bee had on here more times than the metro system.

I would accept a decent bus service where I can get a bus from Middlesbrough to Thornaby after 9.30pm (8.30 on Sundays)
 
Johnny Vincents Motorbike said:
i'll say it - Trams in the centres (Boro Eston Redcar, Thornaby, Bilinghan, Stockton - creates jobs & careers, in construction, operation and maintenance - it takes some bus' off the road - bus drivers could become tram drivers if they so wished - the tram system in Croydon has taken millions of car journeys out of the equation.

& a joint regional adventure to engineer a single track link from the Edinburgh/newcastle stop - and then on to Sunderland - Hartlepool - Middlesbrough with a further link to Darlington & York from the Middlesbrough Hub - A MAGLEV Line Publicly owned - 25mins from Edinburgh to York !!.

2 principle reasons for doing it - 1.1 a Maglev rail link between (these 4 stops)Glasgow - Edinburgh - Newcastle - Leeds - - is already being mooted - if the more coastal towns along the NE Coast are to survive in any meaningful way we will need a matching rail link - the journey times for these magnetic trains can be justified across a few different criteria - cheaper faster and quicker to build than steel wheel railways - it will provide construction and maintenance jobs - it wil thrash times to get around the region, and thats good for local business, attractions and produce.

1.2 - The Environment - in every other part of the world that has a Maglev - car journeys have dropped, there would be no reason thats very obvious as to why car usage wouldnt drop here - Sunderland to Middlesbrough would take about 4 minutes - Middlesbrough to Newcastle 6 minutes. Boro to York 6.5 minutes ! - Boro to Darlo 1 m 😇 - there is no electricity, no diesel, or any fuel - it works with Magnets.
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Why stop there? - Houchen should ring Elon - "Hyperloop UK" - 10,000 local jobs created - Speeds of up to 760mph - Middlesbrough to London in 20 minutes.
 
I'd love an improved public transport system but I'm not sure anything using the roads would work in Middlesbrough. We've seen all the problems the bike lane on Linthorpe road has caused. Can you imagine how bad it would be if trams were running up and down it as well as Marton road, Cargo fleet lane, Acklam road and the other major roads around town? The roads just aren't wide enough. It would take something like the Las Vegas loop The Boring Company are building but that would cost a fortune and unless someone is going to stump up the money it's never going to happen.
 
Trams are much more efficient, flexible and accessible for passengers. The idea of a "train" service is impractical and expensive. A public transport system needs literally to be on your doorstep, not a station miles away. Integrating trams with the roads does work - its surprising how driver habits change faced with a tram!

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If Britain is serious about carbon reduction investments in quality public transport is one of the best options. Government should be using its ability to create money by doing this sort of thing. Instead the Tory scum just create Freeport areas with the aim of areas being like New Detroit in RoboCop.
 
Without the political will it wont happen.
Its not surprising that cities like Liverpool, Leeds, Bristol, Southampton, Brighton, Hull, Chester, Norwich, Ipswich, Reading, Leicester, Derby, Teesside, Plymouth, Preston ............have`nt got a tram network.
Its a novelty in this country: we are in the dark ages. Pathetic.
 
TeessideCleveland said:
There was also the Stockton-Middlesbrough Initiative - building on all the land in between - that seemed to just slowly be wound down to nothing
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Not sure about that - think it will just take time - there now a housing estate pretty much all along from David Lloyd gym to the princess of wales bridge

I used to run that route and a lot of the land on some sides is really industrial so imagine building on it all won't be easy and done in phases over time
 
I lived in Sheffield when they started work on the tram network. It caused carnage and gridlock and misery for literally years and then took years for it to actually be used to a capacity that paid off

It’s a no from me.

The metro idea of the 2000s is what is needed… use the rail network that already exists with the addition of opening old branch lines and adding extras as required. It cheaper and quicker
 
Acklam_Lad said:
I lived in Sheffield when they started work on the tram network. It caused carnage and gridlock and misery for literally years and then took years for it to actually be used to a capacity that paid off

It’s a no from me.

The metro idea of the 2000s is what is needed… use the rail network that already exists with the addition of opening old branch lines and adding extras as required. It cheaper and quicker
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No. Totally disagree. You build a system to serve the public, not to reopen branch lines and stations needed for the economy of the Nineteenth Century
 
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