Winter Fuel Allowance decision is a massive own goal

Let's face it you're anti-Starmer. I'd even go as far to say that you're anti-Labour. There is nothing the current Labour Party could do to assuage any concerns you have. You're full of crackpot schemes that have never had any success by any administration in any country.
Yes. I'm anti-Starmer as he's proven time and again to be untrustworthy.

The Labour party could do no end of things to assuage my concerns. Persisting with Conservative narratives isn't a good look.

Are you referring to the taxation schemes I suggested which have almost all been successful in France?

Typical centrist - no answers and rubbishing anything that might change the status-quo from which he so obviously benefits.
 
Let's face it you're anti-Starmer. I'd even go as far to say that you're anti-Labour. There is nothing the current Labour Party could do to assuage any concerns you have. You're full of crackpot schemes that have never had any success by any administration in any country.
I think Scrote once said he was Green Party - another bunch of extremist lunatics like the Tories and Reform.
 
Help the Aged do a free benefits check. I would urge anyone who knows an elderly person to help them access this resource.


There's also a lot of misinformation out there about claimants needing to fill out a form with 243 questions on it. That's rubbish, many of the questions are irrelevant. Just call the DWP and an officer will complete the form online on behalf of the claimant.
I find it hard to get my head around the fact that family or friends don’t help a skint pensioner to get their proper entitlement.
 
I think Scrote once said he was Green Party - another bunch of extremist lunatics like the Tories and Reform.
I voted Green at the last election as I wasn't willing to vote for Anna Turley. I'm not a Green Party member.

My politics are fairly standard democratic socialist.

If the Labour leadership don't want to represent people like me then I don't understand why people whine about us criticising them.

I've been a vocal critic of the right and, currently, the Labour party is to my right. Why does anyone think they should get a free pass?
 
I voted Green at the last election as I wasn't willing to vote for Anna Turley. I'm not a Green Party member.

My politics are fairly standard democratic socialist.

If the Labour leadership don't want to represent people like me then I don't understand why people whine about us criticising them.

I've been a vocal critic of the right and, currently, the Labour party is to my right. Why does anyone think they should get a free pass?
Fair enough, and you can vote for who you want. I wasn’t trying to label yourself as extremist by the way, I just think that the Green Party has become as opportunistic and populist almost as Farage these days.
 
Typical centrist - no answers and rubbishing anything that might change the status-quo from which he so obviously benefits.
Come on then, seeing as you know everything about me tell me what I benefit from personally that you don't.
 
Hah the glue man!!

Sorry but I’ve read some rubbish on this thread.

The money needs to go to the pensioners who need it not the garden centre pensioners.
Yes those nasty pensioners... spending all our hard earned cash.... absolute ba$tards they are for stealing ÂŁ300 quid a year.

dunno how they sleep at night the sly old fcukers. :rolleyes:




you are all falling for the same tricks the Tories have pulled for 14 years, just this time the monkey in the suit has a red tie instead of a blue one.

they are dividing us and trying to turn one group against the other by painting them as the villains.... when the real villains are walking away with the money and laughing all the way to the off shore account.
 
Hah the glue man!!

Sorry but I’ve read some rubbish on this thread.

The money needs to go to the pensioners who need it not the garden centre pensioners.
Some "garden centre " pensioners go there because they can't afford to put on their heating. Buy a cup of tea and make it last. Maybe that is the only time they see and speak socially to another human being. FFS we even have warmth banks where people can go to sit in a warm community centre, village or church hall.
 
What if they don’t have any?
I agree there will be some in that category and there will also be plenty who are too proud to admit they need help and a universal fuel benefit does make it easier to reach those pensioners but you know a couple of hundred quid is nothing in this day and age and those types of OAP should have their pensions lifted to a dignified level of income.
Some "garden centre " pensioners go there because they can't afford to put on their heating. Buy a cup of tea and make it last. Maybe that is the only time they see and speak socially to another human being. FFS we even have warmth banks where people can go to sit in a warm community centre, village or church hall.
You know what I mean, I could say the cruise or airport pensioners if that helps?

My point is not that you take away fuel benefit from all pensioners, just those that don’t need it. I’m of an age where I know loads of pensioners and none of them need a couple of hundred quid to keep the heating on, in fact an few of them are subsidising their families with shopping and other help.

Look you can keep arguing it, but I’m a die hard socialist and my personal view is that the government, any government, should not be giving handouts for fuel bills to relatively wealthy people who don’t need it.
 
Yes those nasty pensioners... spending all our hard earned cash.... absolute ba$tards they are for stealing ÂŁ300 quid a year.

dunno how they sleep at night the sly old fcukers. :rolleyes:




you are all falling for the same tricks the Tories have pulled for 14 years, just this time the monkey in the suit has a red tie instead of a blue one.

they are dividing us and trying to turn one group against the other by painting them as the villains.... when the real villains are walking away with the money and laughing all the way to the off shore account.
I haven’t seen anybody on this thread accusing the pensioners of stealing the money.

They are actually given the money and millions of them don’t need it or in many cases don’t even want it, so in a country where we desperately need money to be put in other areas wouldn’t it be better to make a change?
 
Come on then, seeing as you know everything about me tell me what I benefit from personally that you don't.
I haven't said that you benefit from things I don't. I've said that you're not interested in progressive change and are happy to go along with regressive measures to maintain the status quo.

Where the status quo is hitting the poorest the hardest by persisting with the Tory narrative of household budgets and balancing the books.

I suggested an alternative which you've declared as "crackpot" without offering any explanation how you'd do it differently.

Not advocating for change is an acceptance of the status quo, by definition.
 
I haven't said that you benefit from things I don't. I've said that you're not interested in progressive change and are happy to go along with regressive measures to maintain the status quo.

Where the status quo is hitting the poorest the hardest by persisting with the Tory narrative of household budgets and balancing the books.

I suggested an alternative which you've declared as "crackpot" without offering any explanation how you'd do it differently.

Not advocating for change is an acceptance of the status quo, by definition.
Backtracking now.

I'll quote you.

"rubbishing anything that might change the status-quo from which he so obviously benefits"

You've made this personal and questioned my character. What is it that I "so obviously" benefit from? If it's so obvious to you then you should be able to explain your thought process. If I advocate for change and change comes about what is it exactly that I will no longer obviously benefit from?
 
Backtracking now.

I'll quote you.

"rubbishing anything that might change the status-quo from which he so obviously benefits"

You've made this personal and questioned my character. What is it that I "so obviously" benefit from? If it's so obvious to you then you should be able to explain your thought process. If I advocate for change and change comes about what is it exactly that I will no longer obviously benefit from?
I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to prove but for avoidance of doubt:

1. If you aren't in favour of change then you are, at the very least, comfortable with the status quo*

2. If you rubbish every proposal for change put forward, without giving reasons for your disapproval, the only logical explanation is that you are actively opposed to change (see 1).

3. You obviously (assuming the footnote isn't correct) benefit from the status quo otherwise you'd want to see the narrative changed so we could approach the UK's finances from a more realistic viewpoint.

You disagree with posters that have championed actual change - rather than just a change of government with the same narratives in place. If you don't benefit from the status quo then you're an idiot. I don't think you're an idiot. Ergo you obviously benefit from the status quo.


*I can also accept that you may be a masochist - there is plenty of evidence of this from USians with regards health insurance, unionisation, gun-law etc.
 
I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to prove but for avoidance of doubt:

1. If you aren't in favour of change then you are, at the very least, comfortable with the status quo*

2. If you rubbish every proposal for change put forward, without giving reasons for your disapproval, the only logical explanation is that you are actively opposed to change (see 1).

3. You obviously (assuming the footnote isn't correct) benefit from the status quo otherwise you'd want to see the narrative changed so we could approach the UK's finances from a more realistic viewpoint.

You disagree with posters that have championed actual change - rather than just a change of government with the same narratives in place. If you don't benefit from the status quo then you're an idiot. I don't think you're an idiot. Ergo you obviously benefit from the status quo.


*I can also accept that you may be a masochist - there is plenty of evidence of this from USians with regards health insurance, unionisation, gun-law etc.
No, no, no.

I will quote you again:

"rubbishing anything that might change the status-quo from which he so obviously benefits"

"I haven't said that you benefit from things I don't"

Benefit - an advantage or profit gained from something.

What is it that I so obviously benefit from and whch you do also, that means I desire to maintain the status-quo in order to retain that benefit yet you wish to champion actual change so that we both lose the same benefit?

You know nothing at all about me personally other than what I post on here, which is a tiny fraction of my day to day existence.
 
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