SmallTown
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Good sign: The Tories will be talking about the low turnout of course but even their usual spin can't disguise how much of a turnaround this one was
YouGov Poll - 33 Point lead!
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BoroFur
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gregorgregorovich
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There's a Council election in Normanby ward on the 22nd December., following the death of one of our Labour Councillors. Please encourage family and friends to get out and vote.
BoroFur
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Labour making inroads in Scotland.
Mainly at the expense of the Tories but they've also taken a chunk out of the SNP.
Mainly at the expense of the Tories but they've also taken a chunk out of the SNP.
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ThePrisoner
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Yes. Let's go Reform party!!
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ThePrisoner
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Eh? Reform will destroy what's left of the torys if they can take a 5% chunk of their vote. Reform is just a protest vote like UKIP and the Brexit party. Little more than a fart in a lift.
exiledinboro
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Richard Tice was on Choppers politics and said he plans to have an MP in every seat outside of Northern Ireland, at the next election
The point he was pushing was the Tories have to be destroyed and he will target the red wall seats and specifically those currently held by the Tories
Sounds like it is a deliberate attempt to take Tory seats and will split the Tory vote
Tice is going to stand in Hartlepool
I’ll admit the Tories are in massive trouble now. I don’t think they can go on the defensive and be proud of any of their record in government so I can only see them going on the offensive
Lefty
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It's all about taking the Tories further to the Right. They saw how the strategy worked with UKIP. They know Labour will have a mess to sort and won't be in power for ever regardless.
You'd think they would be happy with how far to the Right they have pushed the Tories already, but no these people are never satisfied, nor reflective on how their ideology leads to terrible things.
You'd think they would be happy with how far to the Right they have pushed the Tories already, but no these people are never satisfied, nor reflective on how their ideology leads to terrible things.
Redwurzel
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One prediction above, has the Outer Hebrides going to Labour - they only got 28% last time out there and SNP got 45%
My self I think the 45% for SNP is fixed in Scotland and Scotland wil make it difficult for Labour to win an overall Majority in the UK. In the Blair years Scotland was a Labour Stronghold. There are 59 seats in Scotland. All the redwall seat were Labour in the Blair years, I can see over 50% coming back to Labour, but not all of them.
My self I think the 45% for SNP is fixed in Scotland and Scotland wil make it difficult for Labour to win an overall Majority in the UK. In the Blair years Scotland was a Labour Stronghold. There are 59 seats in Scotland. All the redwall seat were Labour in the Blair years, I can see over 50% coming back to Labour, but not all of them.
Laughing
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I think you are right but the SNP may loose votes standing on a single policy of independence.
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BoroMart
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UKIP obviously were effectively a one policy party, Reform can't be that and that's where they will hopefully find trouble gaining any real support above 10%, and hopefully single figure % which will be an optic to keep them as a minority fringe party. at the next election Enough to fragment the Tory vote, but not enough to gain any heavy traction, because this is effectively how the Nazi's started, as a reformist party to bring down the old parties.
I expect that when Labour get in Richard Tice and bunch of b'stards will bombard media on their perceived failures. It will be a constant, death by a thousand cuts approach, heavily funded, and relentless, in an attempt to discredit them, blame them for the mess the Tories have made, and gain more traction. Labour have to be ready for that and have a good PR campaign, pay investigative journalists to understand how they work, and what they are doing and discredit them. We can't ignore Reform, and for all I hate the Tories, we have to hope they get enough act together enough to keep the moderate right from moving to reform.