YouGov Poll - 33 Point lead!

MolteniArcore said:
The wolves are circling for sure. I thought he’d call a May GE but I was wrong - Sunak is just going to cling on for as long as he can.

I suppose the local elections in May will be the time when the party might try and get rid of him. If they lose even more ground they will finally realise that they need to change direction big time. Unfortunately for the Tories they will think that’s to move further right which will further alienate the voters.

If I was Sunak I would have called a May GE. I wouldn’t be enjoying having all these loons around me making me look weak and stupid. He’s got enough money - he doesn’t need the hassle. The only reason he isn’t doing that, in my opinion, is he’s so out of touch he actually thinks he’s doing a great job and he has a chance of getting a majority in the autumn. In fact he’ll just get embarrassed even more.
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The thing is, who are they going to replace him with?

Sunak is seen by most of the Tories to be doing a bad job, but I think he's doing a bad job for the Tories (and part of the reason they're bad nationally) because of them on the right of the party, it's like they're tying his shoelaces together the whinging when he can't dance. I actually think he want's to be a bit more towards the centre (or less right) and was more central than Boris or Truss etc (or less right), but not as much as May. Going that direction (towards the centre) is the only way for them to take vote share back from labour. It doesn't matter if they take more right votes as they still lose, the tactics of what they're doing are laughable, it's like the opposite of Labours tactics. It's odd too mind, as the right/ brexit lot got the tactics right with brexit, and up until the start of covid, but they've gone full reverse since, and it was there on a plate for them if they were a bit more central.

I reckon the right of the Tories actually want to keep him in until the election, as it will give them something to blame, when they need to be looking in the mirror. They don't have the balls to put up a far right loon to get hammered at this next GE, they're cowards. If they put someone in like Braverman, after the GE they lose, I'll throw a party, as they will never win another election again. I can put up with them having 100 seats and taking crap, as they will never be able to do anything with it, and they will eventually disappear.
 
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festa5 said:
If you look at the Lee Anderson thread you'll see it's more than just one of them trotting out that line.

They've all been embarrassing themselves with it. Masterplan for handling from number 10 it would seem.
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Sorry, must have missed that, will take a look. The guys a clown.

How on earth he was ever a Labour member and then a councillor is crazy.
 
Laughing said:
It's way too late to get PR through parliament before the next election. That is assuming they would even entertain it, which they wouldn't.
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Yeah, it's too late for PR now, they would get laughed out for even trying it.

But, PR makes more sense when you're losing though, so they may be up for it sometime soon. This is also the reason why I'm not particularly up for PR now.

PR would have helped labour (and anyone other than the Tories) over the last 10-15 years or whatever, but now it would be more of a hinderance I think.

PR could also be a vote winner for the Tories, and a good way of proposing something which a lot of Anti-Tories have wanted. People who have been on the losing side of elections have been geared over 15 years to think it would help them, and it would have then, but the table turns when you're predicted to win FPTP by some margin. I just don't think peoples views on PR will change quick enough in line with how much changes from helping to hurting them.

I do think PR is much fairer though, more representative, at least at national level, no denying that, it can't not be, but the Tories have had the benefit of the unfair game for so long now that I think they deserve a turn of it being unfair on them.
 
Andy_W said:
The thing is, who are they going to replace him with?

Sunak is seen by most of the Tories to be doing a bad job, but I think he's doing a bad job for the Tories (and part of the reason they're bad nationally) because of them on the right of the party, it's like they're tying his shoelaces together the whinging when he can't dance. I actually think he want's to be a bit more towards the centre (or less right) and was more central than Boris or Truss etc (or less right), but not as much as May. Going that direction (towards the centre) is the only way for them to take vote share back from labour. It doesn't matter if they take more right votes as they still lose, the tactics of what they're doing are laughable, it's like the opposite of Labours tactics. It's odd too mind, as the right/ brexit lot got the tactics right with brexit, and up until the start of covid, but they've gone full reverse since, and it was there on a plate for them if they were a bit more central.

I reckon the right of the Tories actually want to keep him in until the election, as it will give them something to blame, when they need to be looking in the mirror. They don't have the balls to put up a far right loon to get hammered at this next GE, they're cowards. If they put someone in like Braverman, after the GE they lose, I'll throw a party, as they will never win another election again. I can put up with them having 100 seats and taking crap, as they will never be able to do anything with it, and they will eventually disappear.
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Kimi Badenoch or some other loon would get in. They seem to think that she speaks for the party and country. They are deluded!
 
MolteniArcore said:
Kimi Badenoch or some other loon would get in. They seem to think that she speaks for the party and country. They are deluded!
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Yeah, I don't get it. I'm fairly convinced that the Tories think there are more Anti-EU, far right loons and racists/ xenophobes in the country than there actually is.

She was made Secretary of State for International Trade under Truss, and wanted Brexit as much as anyone, it's madness cutting off your no 1 and nearest trading partner and thinking that will work out, so she doesn't seem a great idea for them.

I also think it's a bit odd that the Tories bring in non-white's as a way of trying to prove they're not a racist/ xenophobic party, and I can't believe that non-white's would actually join their party. I still think we're in a pretty racists/ xenophobic country mind, especially behind closed doors, but the Tories/ right have already got all of those votes, it's largely the only ones they have left.
 
Andy_W said:
Yeah, it's too late for PR now, they would get laughed out for even trying it.

But, PR makes more sense when you're losing though, so they may be up for it sometime soon. This is also the reason why I'm not particularly up for PR now.

PR would have helped labour (and anyone other than the Tories) over the last 10-15 years or whatever, but now it would be more of a hinderance I think.

PR could also be a vote winner for the Tories, and a good way of proposing something which a lot of Anti-Tories have wanted. People who have been on the losing side of elections have been geared over 15 years to think it would help them, and it would have then, but the table turns when you're predicted to win FPTP by some margin. I just don't think peoples views on PR will change quick enough in line with how much changes from helping to hurting them.

I do think PR is much fairer though, more representative, at least at national level, no denying that, it can't not be, but the Tories have had the benefit of the unfair game for so long now that I think they deserve a turn of it being unfair on them.
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The tories are not interested in PR. Their collective dismay at Labours move toward civic assemblies, the mechanism for electoral reform, was universaly castigated by the tories, exactly because they are terrified of electoral reform which would forever scupper their long term plan.

That was a long, run-on sentence.
 
Laughing said:
The tories are not interested in PR. Their collective dismay at Labours move toward civic assemblies, the mechanism for electoral reform, was universaly castigated by the tories, exactly because they are terrified of electoral reform which would forever scupper their long term plan.

That was a long, run-on sentence.
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They were not, and may not be when they're winning, but lets see what happens when they accept that they are behind, and even more so when they've lost.
 
LessoftheLip said:
Red wall.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1762885380263788567
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Am I being greedy thinking 2:1 in the red wall is still way lower than it should be?

I just don't get how 1 person could vote Tory in those areas for every 2 who vote Labour and it's not like there's 1 extremely rich guy for every 2 who aren't, the figure is probably more like 1:30.

Lots of Tory voters there, still voting for personal pain, and they don't even know it. I guess the grip of Stockholm Syndrome is strong.
 
Andy_W said:
They were not, and may not be when they're winning, but lets see what happens when they accept that they are behind, and even more so when they've lost.
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Yes losing an election won't make a blind bit of difference to their thinking. Pr stops the tories in their tracks.
 
LessoftheLip said:
YouGov for The Times.
Still a 26 point lead for Labour👍

https://twitter.com/x/status/1763439416515666288
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Tories should be more worried about reform now, they could end up going behind them, if they they both keep going in the direction they are. Won't work out that way for seats mind, but would be good if it splits up the nut job vote.

They have zero chance of reversing the deficit to Labour now, even for the rest of the year, if the charts are currently accurate, which they're probably not far off if you draw a fairly tight trend line through them.
 
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