Your three best and worst Boro managers

best

Charlton : genius best Boro side I have seen also great personality
Rioch: miracle worker and an amazing connection between club and fans
John Neal: built a brilliant young team
** McClaren should be in there somewhere for the trophy and Europe but the other guys did it on a budget

Worst
Robson : how did we get relegated with that transfer kitty
Murdoch: great footballer terrible manager
Strachan ....
** Most disliked: Warnock
 
The good:
Charlton - team was just one striker away..
Neal - just excellent team, shame it was sold off.
McLaren - Europe, cup & PL

The bad:
Monk - fraud
Pulis - straight talking but terrible football
Strachan - Scottish retirement home, just poor team building

The ugly:
Southgate - read the manual, theory over football, way too soon for him..
Wilder - turned out to be dogmatic & dour
Aitor - hugely effective, but massively defensive & dour, what a ride.. gave us a team & style only a Boro fan could love..
 
Fattyfoggon said:
Robson : how did we get relegated with that transfer kitty
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The answer is that we didn’t sign our Cb pairing until too late. We never lost with our first choice pairing of Pearson and Festa but they only played about 8 games. It was the perfect storm of Blackburn points deduction, injuries, a petulant superstar, an inexperienced prem squad, a tapped up/ homesick midfielder, a massive fixture backlog and a bit of naivety.

Most of that wasn’t in robsons control so pretty harsh to blame him for the relegation alone. He also got us promoted twice, made several cup finals and established us as a top flight club that could lay good football and attract great players. You have to look at the whole time, to be fair. I mean Rioch got us relegated despite having 3 future England internationals and nearly got us relegated again straight after. But people put it in context usually.
 
Best -

Robson - If you're under 40(ish) literally every good Boro memory you have is a direct or indirect result of Robbo's tenure. No Juninho, no 90's Cup Final's, no success for Mclaren without Robbo.
Karanka - Made us feel like a proper club again after years in the wilderness. Felt like we could beat anyone under him (up until that last half of the Prem season).
McClaren - Obvious reasons. First major trophy, European runs. Unthinkable now

Worst -

Strachan - No one has divided team from fans like he did in the modern era. A disastrous appointment who somehow still gets credit for walking away without a payoff when, those ITK will tell you, he did no such thing.
Pulis - Football so bad it made me give up my season ticket. 6 CB's in the team at times. Would have picked 10 if he could. Literally lost us games with his ridiculous but consistent Martin Cranie on for a Striker sub he did every time we were in the 55th minute and winning.
Wilder - Turned out to be a self important melt who, despite having a reputation as a football innovator, had 1 system which was beyond rigid and everyone had already seen him do and worked out.
 
BoroMart said:
The answer is that we didn’t sign our Cb pairing until too late. We never lost with our first choice pairing of Pearson and Festa but they only played about 8 games. It was the perfect storm of Blackburn points deduction, injuries, a petulant superstar, an inexperienced prem squad, a tapped up/ homesick midfielder, a massive fixture backlog and a bit of naivety.

Most of that wasn’t in robsons control so pretty harsh to blame him for the relegation alone. He also got us promoted twice, made several cup finals and established us as a top flight club that could lay good football and attract great players. You have to look at the whole time, to be fair. I mean Rioch got us relegated despite having 3 future England internationals and nearly got us relegated again straight after. But people put it in context usually.
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Spent half a season chasing Miguel Angel Nadal from Barca... If only we'd know Festa would have been the answer after the Inter friendly pre-season. Robbo showed too much loyalty to Vickers, Fleming, Blackmore etc in the hope that Nadal, Cafu and Roberto Carlos would seemlessly replace them the following season... Damn that fax machine 🤪
 
BoroMart said:
The answer is that we didn’t sign our Cb pairing until too late. We never lost with our first choice pairing of Pearson and Festa but they only played about 8 games. It was the perfect storm of Blackburn points deduction, injuries, a petulant superstar, an inexperienced prem squad, a tapped up/ homesick midfielder, a massive fixture backlog and a bit of naivety.

Most of that wasn’t in robsons control so pretty harsh to blame him for the relegation alone. He also got us promoted twice, made several cup finals and established us as a top flight club that could lay good football and attract great players. You have to look at the whole time, to be fair. I mean Rioch got us relegated despite having 3 future England internationals and nearly got us relegated again straight after. But people put it in context usually.
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Problem is he did not sign Festa until we were in trouble a decent manger would sorted the defence out long before then
 
Fattyfoggon said:
Problem is he did not sign Festa until we were in trouble a decent manger would sorted the defence out long before then
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This true.
Big Nige got injured v Wimbledon (clash of heads....went up for a header with Efan Ekoku I think) well before Xmas IIRC, Festa came in the January.
 
Fattyfoggon said:
best

Charlton : genius best Boro side I have seen also great personality
Rioch: miracle worker and an amazing connection between club and fans
John Neal: built a brilliant young team
** McClaren should be in there somewhere for the trophy and Europe but the other guys did it on a budget

Worst
Robson : how did we get relegated with that transfer kitty
Murdoch: great footballer terrible manager
Strachan ....
** Most disliked: Warnock
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Good shout for John Neal. It was an entertaining side that with Cochrane, Armstrong, Bosko, Hodgson etc, and you're right, not much budget with Amer lining his pockets.
 
Fattyfoggon said:
Problem is he did not sign Festa until we were in trouble a decent manger would sorted the defence out long before then
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The club has to take responsibility for transfers, if lamb had said it’s off and moved on for Festa quicker the issue wouldn’t have happened. the defence did well the year before but didn’t step up, the biggest issue was pearson injury. If he hadn’t been hobbled we would have stayed up.

He was the captain, the leader, the experienced player that knew what the prem was about, he was the bully, the Hardman, the organiser, he could even kick the crap out of a pack of wolves and I’m not talking Steve Bull and Andy Mutch
 
Worst
1. Strachan - set the club back 20 years
2. Monk - Strachan Jnr
3. Pulis - awful football.. dreadful

Best
1. Robson - fundamentally changed the club forever.
2. McClaren - had a great team around him.
3. Mowbray - saved the club and built the core of a great squad.

Warnock deserves a mention.. he kept Wilder out of the top three worst. He did a Mowbray and had Karanka’s win record with less funds. Mowbray’s job was much harder imo
 
Nobby_Barnes said:
Why would anyone put Neil Warnock as one of the worst 3 managers, he saved us from relegation and nearly got us to the play offs without ANY MONEY TO SPEND.
He also developed youngsters like Tav and Jones...
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He lost every home game but kept us up and the next season do you think kebano et Al played for free? Following season he rightly got the boot
 
Considering he was Maanger for the only cup win it’s surprising how many spell McClaren incorrect.
 
BoroMart said:
He lost every home game but kept us up and the next season do you think kebano et Al played for free? Following season he rightly got the boot
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Of course they didn't play for free but he had to rely on loans and free transfers such as Kebano, Watmore, Bolasie etc.....
 
KDG said:
In my lifetime

Worst:
1/ Strachan - Was excited when he came, straight talking, experienced and what followed was just an awful period to be a Boro Fan
2/ Monk - Spent big, raised hope, failed, blamed everyone else
3/ Wilder - Really left a sour taste for me and never took to him even in the beginning when things where going ok

Best:
1/ Robson - Boro Manager when i got into Football properly, some amazing high's, some awful lows. Some amazing players, some amazing games and moments.
2/ McLaren - The success alone, the players we had at that time and competing at the level we did.
3/ Karanka - The season we lost the play off final was a fantastic season to be a fan, the excitement and bond between the squad, something we had lacked for years. It did end sour with Karanka, so i expect him to fall off this list in due course. Carrick, repeated that season for me last year so hoepfully he can replace him.
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Pretty much exactly how I see it and why.

The only different observation is Wilder. I thought he would be brilliant initially but ended up disliking him massively.
 
BoroMart said:
The club has to take responsibility for transfers, if lamb had said it’s off and moved on for Festa quicker the issue wouldn’t have happened. the defence did well the year before but didn’t step up, the biggest issue was pearson injury. If he hadn’t been hobbled we would have stayed up.

He was the captain, the leader, the experienced player that knew what the prem was about, he was the bully, the Hardman, the organiser, he could even kick the crap out of a pack of wolves and I’m not talking Steve Bull and Andy Mutch
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lol yeah heard that story when he was hiking in Romania by himself
 
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