exeterboro
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I think if I was in their situation it make more determined to get the present owners out and try to to get the club back to its core values, which made it the most popular club in England in the 50's and 60's
Mason Greenwood
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indeedido
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The Man U crowd - or whoever else in England he signed for - would not take to him if he played here again.
The opposition crowd both at OT and at their home ground would relentlessly target him.
He would not survive the treatment he would get and his team mates would be incredibly distracted by the noise he would attract.
United would be dumb to attempt to integrate him back in to their squad.
Another English club would be dumb to think they could bring him in.
His future will be abroad in a league in a country where things are not scrutinised.
United would be better getting anything they can for him from Arabia. He has no book value so they lose nothing. They will just have to take a hit on his market value.
Even the greedy Glaziers should see the sense in that.
The opposition crowd both at OT and at their home ground would relentlessly target him.
He would not survive the treatment he would get and his team mates would be incredibly distracted by the noise he would attract.
United would be dumb to attempt to integrate him back in to their squad.
Another English club would be dumb to think they could bring him in.
His future will be abroad in a league in a country where things are not scrutinised.
United would be better getting anything they can for him from Arabia. He has no book value so they lose nothing. They will just have to take a hit on his market value.
Even the greedy Glaziers should see the sense in that.
Cress
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Rachel Riley threatens to stop supporting Man Utd over Mason Greenwood decision
The Man United forward is the subject of an internal investigation which has provoked strong reaction from supporters
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk
changingman
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Yeah you're probably right, and I was not targeting that comment at all fans, far from it. Just seems to have a higher quota of vocal diots than it used to (society and football)
Alzi
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I understand what you’re saying but not sure I agree. Social media makes it seem that way at times but football is much more inclusive than it was back in the 80s for the example.
1finny
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Just reading today the likelihood is he will stay.
There is a part of this I was reading that did make me think.
He has been at the club since he was 7 - as such the club bear some responsibility for how he has turned out as a player and human being.
They could well be motivated by paternal/maternal reasons to try and keep him and rehabilitate - much like a mum and dad would do if it was there son.
I witnessed this first hand with my mum and dad over my brother. They tried everything when those around them were witnessing the carnage he was causing.
So, please, please don’t take this as anything other than ‘understanding their thinking’.
I’m not agreeing with it, supporting him or the club and do believe his partner and any other woman abused deserve all the support in the world.
There is a part of this I was reading that did make me think.
He has been at the club since he was 7 - as such the club bear some responsibility for how he has turned out as a player and human being.
They could well be motivated by paternal/maternal reasons to try and keep him and rehabilitate - much like a mum and dad would do if it was there son.
I witnessed this first hand with my mum and dad over my brother. They tried everything when those around them were witnessing the carnage he was causing.
So, please, please don’t take this as anything other than ‘understanding their thinking’.
I’m not agreeing with it, supporting him or the club and do believe his partner and any other woman abused deserve all the support in the world.
GibbosEmpire
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In what other industry would a company take some kind of responsibility for a person allegedly accused of sexual assault just because they've been with the company since the age of 7?
If Greenwood is prepared to show remorse on camera and to become some sort of ambassador for the young male's understanding of the female experience then I think he should be rehabilitated. If not, then I think he should be sacked.
I work with young people of a similar age and not only are these issues not sufficiently addressed with young men, there actually appears to be an alarming regression in standards, led by the likes of Andrew Tate. Footballers have a unique profile that can be exploited as a force for good - look at the taking of the knee gesture (the persistence of which I fully support). Some good needs to come out of this.
I work with young people of a similar age and not only are these issues not sufficiently addressed with young men, there actually appears to be an alarming regression in standards, led by the likes of Andrew Tate. Footballers have a unique profile that can be exploited as a force for good - look at the taking of the knee gesture (the persistence of which I fully support). Some good needs to come out of this.
FishofContemplation
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In what other industry would someone have had a connection with a company since the age of seven?
Juninhoburger
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Don't hold your breath, you'll die
Juninhoburger
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Chinese sweatshops?
GibbosEmpire
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But how does that absolve him from responsibility of his actions, and how does Man Utd have any responsibility of his actions whatsoever, especially considering what he is being accused of? He dug his grave, now he has to lay in it and reep the consequences of his actions.
1finny
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No one is saying that.
It doesn’t absolve him from anything at all. It’s an explanation of why the club may take a particular course of action.
We are agreeing that that explanation doesn’t fit with what you and I would do.
coluka
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Whatever anyone thinks of the matter, this country is divided on crime and punishment and the rule of law. The do gooders v the natural justice brigade and all points in between.
The minute Greenwood steps out on a UK football pitch for any club, he will be facing a public Kangaroo Court. He will forever be judged, his team will not be able to cope with the barrage of hatred and bile directed at him and all associated with him from a baying mob wanting his life in football ended. What he did was abhorrent, a disgraceful, disgusting abuse of power and physical strength. However, does he deserve a life sentence? He has one through the court of public opinion anyway now.
The man should be tried and judged in court on the evidence held and there is plenty, the outcome of a jury respected on said evidence, and then whatever the verdict, then his life be allowed to run like anyone else‘s. The law does not work that way though. The man has shown no remorse, for whatever reasons his victim took him back, far from unusual sadly, in streets nearby similar may be happening behind closed doors. It is a situation happening in most towns and cities somewhere as we speak, often without consequence, predominantly by men
His career is surely finished here, maybe most countries. I am sure he could play in some parts of the world though. For his own sake and that of his partner and baby, he needs to own his actions, demonstrate true remorse, if he can that is, he will forever be paying for his actions for the rest of his life. However, by punishing him remorselessly people are also punishing his victim and child at the same time. As horrid as his actions were, the victim has decided to drop charges and begin a family with him for reasons people will speculate about, but I am sure it can’t just be monetary. It would be in everyones best interest, including his partner and child if he went to ply his trade in a different country and everyone moved on including his current club. The loss to the brand would be less than the loss were they to actually play him.
It is an odd trait in humans of their love to hate others they don’t know, that hatred is then carried though to our graves, sometimes its deserved but sometimes it isn’t, we love to judge others, but feel others have no right to judge us, we are all hypocrites in our own lives on occasion, with our own personal skeletons locked away, thankfully we are not in the public eye for journalists to display our own past skeletons whatever they may be. (we all have some to varying degrees).
The minute Greenwood steps out on a UK football pitch for any club, he will be facing a public Kangaroo Court. He will forever be judged, his team will not be able to cope with the barrage of hatred and bile directed at him and all associated with him from a baying mob wanting his life in football ended. What he did was abhorrent, a disgraceful, disgusting abuse of power and physical strength. However, does he deserve a life sentence? He has one through the court of public opinion anyway now.
The man should be tried and judged in court on the evidence held and there is plenty, the outcome of a jury respected on said evidence, and then whatever the verdict, then his life be allowed to run like anyone else‘s. The law does not work that way though. The man has shown no remorse, for whatever reasons his victim took him back, far from unusual sadly, in streets nearby similar may be happening behind closed doors. It is a situation happening in most towns and cities somewhere as we speak, often without consequence, predominantly by men
His career is surely finished here, maybe most countries. I am sure he could play in some parts of the world though. For his own sake and that of his partner and baby, he needs to own his actions, demonstrate true remorse, if he can that is, he will forever be paying for his actions for the rest of his life. However, by punishing him remorselessly people are also punishing his victim and child at the same time. As horrid as his actions were, the victim has decided to drop charges and begin a family with him for reasons people will speculate about, but I am sure it can’t just be monetary. It would be in everyones best interest, including his partner and child if he went to ply his trade in a different country and everyone moved on including his current club. The loss to the brand would be less than the loss were they to actually play him.
It is an odd trait in humans of their love to hate others they don’t know, that hatred is then carried though to our graves, sometimes its deserved but sometimes it isn’t, we love to judge others, but feel others have no right to judge us, we are all hypocrites in our own lives on occasion, with our own personal skeletons locked away, thankfully we are not in the public eye for journalists to display our own past skeletons whatever they may be. (we all have some to varying degrees).
1finny
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If the 'we' you are referring to is most fans and the club
'We' certainly did forgive Woodgate for being part of a gang of white thugs who beat a non white guy to a pulp
Omega
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Yes and your post goes to show not everything you read is true or you can make something sound a lot worse with out knowing the full story or background. In my eyes innocent till proven guilty
1finny
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You will be in the 'forgive Mason Greenwood' camp then
Oh, and I know the background to the Woodgate incident in quite some detail thanks.
But feel free to tell me what is factually incorrect about what I said earlier - always happy to learn
I will concede that 'pulp' is emotional language - broke his leg, cheek bone, nose and left him unconscious is how the lad ended up.
This might help too
'The victim was already lying bleeding in the street when 21-year-old Woodgate was seen to stand back, leap with both feet in the air and land on the teenager's body, the court heard'
indeedido
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Clearly a friend of Jonathan.