Is there anyone on here who doesn't have left wing views

r00fie1 said:
What are "left wing views"?

For me, my countrymen and women have the right to:

* A decent home with a roof over their head - not dependent on how much money they have in their pocket.
* A good reliable cheap efficient publicly-owned public transport system across the country - especially in rural areas where existing private providers often neglect isolated communities.
* Decent inflation-indexed pay for Nurses, Teachers, Doctors and all workers across the public sector.
* Access for everyone to free NHS services at point of use, with Local Area Health Authorities planning and providing services, not private companies or care providers.
* A National Care Service for all those who need care and support in the community [in public ownership, not private ownership] - under control of the Local Area Health Authorities.
* A National Minimum Wage of Ā£15 with the use of tax-credits and support for those in work on low incomes.
* Abolition of Zero-Hours Contracts, with temporary and "Bank" workers given the same rights as contracted workers, with paid maternity leave, holidays and sick leave.
* Public ownership of Railways, Postal Services, Electricity, Gas and Water: to allow proper co-ordination, planning, and investment: keeping the "profits" in the country for our people and keeping prices as low as possible.
*Increased social security for the long-term sick and disabled, with abolition of the current punitive "benefits" system.
* An immediate increase in pensions and social security set to the levels of 2010.
* Support for small businesses with a realistic rate support grant, set by local authorities, funded by central government.
* Provision of free child care across the country.
* Abolition of tuition fees.


"Left wing"?
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And a wealth tax to fund it?
 
Corco65 said:
That was the issue, the parliamentary party were in disagreement with the membership, they should have respected the membership wishes and supported the leader and the election campaigns, if they didn't agree with the membership and the democratic process, then they are the odd ones out.
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Rubbish. They had experienced Corbyn's "leadership" and supported him to that point. The alternative is 172 Labour MPs resign the whip? Corbyn had some great qualities and I fully supported him and believe he was very harshly treated by a supposedly neutral media but he'd had his shot and lost. It was time for him to go. Perhaps if he had gone then we might have had a more left wing leader?

Whatever, it is history now.

As has said before in this thread. Starmer or Sunak? And if after you have read the post by Ziggy a couple of pages back you are going to say that you can't tell the difference then, my friends you are being wilfully blind and as "cult-believer-like" as any MAGA loon.

You choose.
 
Politics on here is always argumentative, everyone is entitled to their own views and opinions. We just have to respect them.
Should you use you vote for what is best for you and your family or what you think is best for others and the country?
If we could have a list of policies and vote for which ones we liked the best and then get someone trustworthy to implement them, we may not need so many MPs. - I wonder who could that person be?
 
Muttley said:
Rubbish. They had experienced Corbyn's "leadership" and supported him to that point. The alternative is 172 Labour MPs resign the whip? Corbyn had some great qualities and I fully supported him and believe he was very harshly treated by a supposedly neutral media but he'd had his shot and lost. It was time for him to go. Perhaps if he had gone then we might have had a more left wing leader?

Whatever, it is history now.

As has said before in this thread. Starmer or Sunak? And if after you have read the post by Ziggy a couple of pages back you are going to say that you can't tell the difference then, my friends you are being wilfully blind and as "cult-believer-like" as any MAGA loon.

You choose.
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JC won two leadership elections, the memberships choice and quiet rightly remained as leader, that's how the process works is it not? The parliamentary party spat their dummies out. If they had all of resigned there are more than plenty of capable replacements in all constituencies.

For what it's worth and I've said before, I have followed my principles and done the honourable thing by resigning my membership as I disagree with the current leaderships treatment of some members and current direction of the party.

However that won't stop me from voting for the party in order to help remove a Tory government.
 
BoroMart said:
My views are that of tolerance for people to live their life how they choose if it harms no one else. Iā€™m in favour of capitalism BUT with restrictions to stop the elite gaming the system for themselves through market manipulation, monopolies and failure to to give proper service to the customer and ignoring environmental responsibilities. I support having public services that are well funded and fit for purpose such as energy and rail.

If you listen to GBeebies and The Daily Mail then these views make me a communist apparently, thatā€™s how fā€¦..d up this country is. There are so few real radical left wing views on here, or greater society but radical right wing views have been normalised by the real elite, the wealthyā€¦.that is the crux of the problem and your failure to see that means youā€™ve had the wool pulled over your eyes.

What I find weird is your username is based on an actor renowned for his kindness and views on having a supportive society being far more important than personal wealth
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That's how I read it too.
The idea that most posters on here are part of some left wing clique is absolutely absurd.
 
Muttley said:
Rubbish. They had experienced Corbyn's "leadership" and supported him to that point.
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That's not correct Muttley. Before the end of the 2015 leadership contest Cooper and Kendall both announced they would never work with Corbyn if he won. Jess Phillips had already done her famous "knife him in the front" interview. We now know that the outgoing leadership team had stripped the offices at Southside so there was no desks or computers to work from. Alan Johnson had already phoned in the Labour Remain campaign he was supposed to be leading.

Muttley said:
but he'd had his shot and lost.
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After about 9 months with no election?

The reality is the days after the EU referendum were the Conservatives weakest point for probably a decade. The Labour PLP decided to rally round and cover for them because they genuinely would prefer any tory government, no matter the damage caused, to a socialist one.
 
Easterside_Red said:
You regularly bring this up
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Do I? Can't think when.

Edit - just tried the phrase "knife him in the front" and my username in the search function. First time I've mentioned it. šŸ˜…

Edit 2 - in any case it doesn't really matter does it. Whatever special "context" you're claiming, the point is the PLP definitely didn't support Corbyns leadership up until the 2016 challenge.
 
Norfolkred1 said:
Greta post which mirrors my view of all politicians, all in it for themselves and what they can get for nowt. After you with the trough.
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You lump all politicians together yet the Tories have been in power for nearly 14 years and before then the Labour Party had policies in place like sure start and socially progressive policies that supported working people but the Tories lied to gain power and lie to keep power.
 
SuperStu said:
Do I? Can't think when.

Edit - just tried the phrase "knife him in the front" and my username in the search function. First time I've mentioned it. šŸ˜…

Edit 2 - in any case it doesn't really matter does it. Whatever special "context" you're claiming, the point is the PLP definitely didn't support Corbyns leadership up until the 2016 challenge.
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Didn't look very hard did you Stu?

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SuperStu said:
Ah of course. Should have spent ages searching alt terms for knife shouldn't I?

"Regularly" šŸ˜… 2021. You must have Howson down as a regular goalscorer as well eh?
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Much more accurate than "never".
Searching for "Jess Phillips" would have taken no time at all and significantly more relevant as a search term but you never were the sharpest tool in the box.
 
Boroboyyo said:
This is exactly the type of person Iā€™m talking about . Put a comedic reference to nazis in it to belittle a legitimate opinion that you happen to dislike . Classy. Like on the left, there are different shades of right wing . Being on the left doesnā€™t make you automatically a Commie or a corbyn supporter , nor does being on the right make you a nazi

Regarding not wanting NF not elected to the other poster , so wanting europe actually to take a harder stance on illegal migration suddenly means you want a historically nazi party ? Le pen is pro Putin **** and I have no doubt she would make europe a lot worse place if she was elected. Iā€™m a conservative but I donā€™t want homosexuality illegal or nationalism which is what Putin politics wants to bring to Europe. Nationalism starts wars . The more people are ignored on this important issue , the more people will vote for nationalists in Europe and the more likely Europe is once again fractured to the extent war is likely . Putin is deliberately trying to get migrants into Europe because he knows it is changing these countries for the worse and it is allowing him to create spheres of influence . Slovakia has just elected a pro Russian politician and theyā€™re in the eu and nato . If we donā€™t tackle this , this discontent will grow

Europe to me is one of the richest continents culturally in the entire world and also one of the most tolerant too . To ensure our politics are not going to the extremes we need to ensure this migration policy is a lot harsher and stricter . It is STILL too soft and tolerant
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Define ā€œillegal migrationā€ for me please
 
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