Well the Port Vale ticket arguments have already started

atypical_boro said:
I remember in 1997 sleeping out overnight with a fecking pillow.
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I recall the club put about 1000 Wembley tickets for Leicester on general sale at 9am one morning.

I got the bus back from work at 6pm the previous day and from the top Of the bus could see a mass of people queuing down the ground.

So I went straight down there suited and booted.

Thankfully they gave us all a voucher and said come back tomorrow. Would have been a bit of a cold night otherwise.

Happy days
 
Points should be awarded for every £ you spend with the club. Then people who buy shirts and other merchandise also get rewarded
 
What about SC holders buying tickets purely for the points with no intention of turning up?

Bolton this season was an example (I assume). So fans like myself, with it being pretty much a home game, short hop up the M61 couldn't go.

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h_m_boro said:
What about SC holders buying tickets purely for the points with no intention of turning up?

Bolton this season was an example (I assume). So fans like myself, with it being pretty much a home game, short hop up the M61 couldn't go.

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Are you sure? Looked pretty full.
 
h_m_boro said:
What about SC holders buying tickets purely for the points with no intention of turning up?

Bolton this season was an example (I assume). So fans like myself, with it being pretty much a home game, short hop up the M61 couldn't go.

🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
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If I'd known you could have had mine. I bought one knowing it was only 50/50 I could go, but for £6.50 it was worth the risk. Ticket was wasted in the end. Sorry. My mate took it with him to give away outside and couldn't.

TBF though I did have every intention of going if the wife had managed to sack off the training course she was running, but she couldn't.

In many ways though this illustrates the problem with 'clamping down', there are lots of grey areas and sadly no system will ever suit everyone's needs.
 
fmttmadmin said:
Are you sure? Looked pretty full.
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What I was told - quite a few empty seats dotted about all over. Could have been kids squeezing in with their mates, people with genuine reasons for not attending. For the price suppose you kind of expect this 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
 
ForssAwakens said:
I’m going to sound pretty harsh in this post but I can’t believe your stance in all honesty. It defies logic if you want things to be fair

How does tickets going to general sale mean we shouldn’t worry about people borrowing tickets?

A couple things come to mind straight away for me, and both involve people jumping the queue

If I lend my ticket to person an and that replicated 100 times. That is 100 less tickets for general sale. They have gained an unfair advantage and they should have been in the general sale queues as normal

Additionally those 100 people are gettting priority points they shouldn’t be. So when Sunderland happens or these cup games, they could be in a position to be of a different priority bracket, defying someone who would have had more priority points

We can see if these happens multiples times by the same people that it’s a big unfair advantage for those games

You represent fans at the supporters forum, so find your stance absolutely baffling
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I know a group of lads this 100% applies to re: borrowing tickets. They go to around 40-50% of away games but always offer to lend their ticket for games they don’t attend - thus gaining the priority points for the in demand games.

I’ll be honest, I’ve picked up some spare tickets for away games on the back of it. Got offered a Sunderland ticket but didn’t take it up.

I attend 5-6 away games a season. I’d go more if family time etc. allowed but for other priorities at this moment in time.

It does create huge unfairness though. As they farm the priority points, they’ll always be front of the queues for tickets. It’s a snowball effect for priority points too. If you aren’t able to buy the tickets in the first place you have no chance of gaining the points.

Not sure how you clamp down on it and what the solution would be. It’s always open to abuse.
 
It’s a difficult one. What’s the point in a priority points system if there’s no policing of it but how do you do that effectively? There are plenty of people lending their accounts out to stay maxed out on points. I don’t see how it can be controlled without serious investment in either manpower or technology and we all know that’s not happening any time soon.
 
Only way to stop the system from being abused is to take it back to season ticket priority. Someone else made a good suggestion:
Season ticket holders of 5 years or more first.
Season ticket holders.
Membership holders
General sale
 
Humpty said:
Only way to stop the system from being abused is to take it back to season ticket priority. Someone else made a good suggestion:
Season ticket holders of 5 years or more first.
Season ticket holders.
Membership holders
General sale
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It always used to be, for high demand matches:

- gold card
- chairman’s drink
- normal season ticket holders
- general sale

But the people who went to loads of away games always complained about unfairness.

So now we just have a system that it also not completely fair for everybody.
 
atypical_boro said:
It always used to be, for high demand matches:

- gold card
- chairman’s drink
- normal season ticket holders
- general sale

But the people who went to loads of away games always complained about unfairness.

So now we just have a system that it also not completely fair for everybody.
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People who went to every away game wanted the closed shop, they’ve now got it

Rob for example advocated it because people he knew where missing out, but now seems to have the stance well mainly all games go to general sale so does it really matter.
 
Don't think the system will ever be fair when demand outstrips supply.

Our travelling support has been superb, sadly there are a few people "abusing" the system (or is that playing the system🤷🏻‍♂️).

It is definitely becoming a closed shop, and for non SC holders with minimal points away games are very much a waiting for scraps type of scenario. Never used to be like this in the past. Never remember there being any issues getting tickets for non PL away games.

It is what it is. Does it become more of a moral argument, fans denying other "genuine" fans the chance to go to games?

Personally get more annoyed with the fans who go to away games purely for the p*ss up, absolutely no interest whatsoever in the football.....🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
 
Newcastle seem to have it nailed down

The have a membership scheme and complete a raffle for games. Fair and the make more money as a result

The spot check around 3.5% of away fans to check if the system is abused according to ingleby ( using example of 100 in 3000 checked)
 
h_m_boro said:
Don't think the system will ever be fair when demand outstrips supply.
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I don’t see how the season ticket led system is unfair? Unfortunately the club have given a minority what they want and if they were to remove it now there would be hell on from that minority.
 
Humpty said:
I don’t see how the season ticket led system is unfair? Unfortunately the club have given a minority what they want and if they were to remove it now there would be hell on from that minority.
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If you have 2000 tickets with 21k? SC holders there will be people who meet the criteria, but can't get tickets. What if you have 3000 GC holders? Then what?

The current system works in principle, but is open to abuse. The ST led system could be fairer, but still will have people missing out.

I honestly don't know what the best solution is🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
 
The best solution is accept that the benefit you get from a home season ticket is exactly that - a cheap and guaranteed seat for every home game. It should have no priority / relevance to away games, and they should scrap the elite closed shop away season ticket scam as well, or open it up to everyone who wants one.

Neither of these things will of course happen because those benefiting from the status quo will do everything in their power to protect that to the detriment of everyone else - the Tory approach, I'm OK, sod everyone else
 
h_m_boro said:
If you have 2000 tickets with 21k? SC holders there will be people who meet the criteria, but can't get tickets. What if you have 3000 GC holders? Then what?

The current system works in principle, but is open to abuse. The ST led system could be fairer, but still will have people missing out.

I honestly don't know what the best solution is🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
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Who’s missing out? Season ticket holders have paid their money. The ones who have invested longer get first choice and so on and so forth. It’s not open to abuse and gives those who deserve a chance at getting tickets, a chance. It avoids this current closed shop and there’s no real way to abuse the system. Win win.
 
Humpty said:
Who’s missing out? Season ticket holders have paid their money. The ones who have invested longer get first choice and so on and so forth. It’s not open to abuse and gives those who deserve a chance at getting tickets, a chance. It avoids this current closed shop and there’s no real way to abuse the system. Win win.
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I'm not arguing.

But we have a high demand for away tickets, so not everyone will be happy. If you have 3000 ST holders who have had their ticket since 1995, and an away game with 2000 tickets......there are ST holders who will miss out. Demand outstrips supply and we can't do anything about that.

As you have rightly pointed out it's the abuse of the priority points system that needs addressing - going back to how it used to be is an option but can see this meeting huge resistance.
 
Humpty said:
Who’s missing out? Season ticket holders have paid their money. The ones who have invested longer get first choice and so on and so forth. It’s not open to abuse and gives those who deserve a chance at getting tickets, a chance. It avoids this current closed shop and there’s no real way to abuse the system. Win win.
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The problem with this is there's thousands more ST holders than there is allocation for away tickets.

I've been a ST holder for 10+ years, but I never go to away games - I'll be honest... I cba sitting on a bus for 6 hours there and back so I only used to go to the close ones (Sunderland, Leeds, etc...).

Your solution would mean it's possible for me to get a ticket to Sunderland even though I don't go to any other away game, and I could be taking that ticket off fans who travel to Plymouth/Bristol/Norwich, and send hours and hours sitting on busses to support the club every year - which isn't right.

More points should be given based on distance travelled in my opinion - but every solution is open to abuse.

There's no way of solving it because a lot of fans don't really care who's missing out as long as they get a ticket.
 
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