These people sat in parks today

Malaguena said:
"what is the difference driving to a secluded spot than walking outside your house if it's busy? "

On an individual basis, probably none.

But, the problem is the multiplier effect - when driving "somewhere" is seen to be "OK", the more people will do it - the "well if they're doing it, I'm going to do it" scenario that I've posted previously kicks in - and lockdown isn't seen as being important, Then more and more people are out, making social distancing more difficult and the likelihood of passing the virus on increases.
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its similar to construction sites, its mandatory to wear a hard hat on site, however on for example a housing site finishing trades are generally allowed to work without wearing them inside the house theyre working on. the problem arises when they nip out to the mess cabins or to their vans and dont put them on, you get brickies and scaffolders taking theirs off cos the sparky or painter isnt wearing theirs. the most common way to try and be reasonable is that you have your hat with you at all times and if you go outside it goes on, if youre seen outside without it on you wear it all the time even when inside and so does everyone else. so complying with the law with some common sense being applied to avoid people being unduly inconvenienced
 
1finny said:
If exercise gets banned what happens to dog walking?
Spansihman - what happens over there?
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You are allowed to take the dog a short distance from where you live so it can have a crap. Only one person can take the dog out. You pick up the crap and then walk it straight home. Also, the advice is that you sanitise/disinfect the paws/pads afterwards.
 
Malaguena said:
"what is the difference driving to a secluded spot than walking outside your house if it's busy? "

On an individual basis, probably none.

But, the problem is the multiplier effect - when driving "somewhere" is seen to be "OK", the more people will do it - the "well if they're doing it, I'm going to do it" scenario that I've posted previously kicks in - and lockdown isn't seen as being important, Then more and more people are out, making social distancing more difficult and the likelihood of passing the virus on increases.
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Also, the more cars and people out the more the likelihood of accidents occurring. Complicating things.
 
It's telling that there's a 9 page discussion on the rules surrounding exercise outdoors and little being said about the lack of testing or PPE for hospital staff or the lack of ventilators and ICU beds/staff. One of these is way more critical to contagion and outcomes than the other.
 
borolad259 said:
It's telling that there's a 9 page discussion on the rules surrounding exercise outdoors and little being said about the lack of testing or PPE for hospital staff or the lack of ventilators and ICU beds/staff. One of these is way more critical to contagion and outcomes than the other.
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One difference is that this is something where everyone could play a positive part in getting the best solution.

The other thing is that people will get accused of playing party politics if you talk about the shortages. Even though Nick Ferrarri (LBC) and Piers Morgan (The Mail) have both hammered the government response.
 
I think it’s deliberate SM.
Allow and encourage lots of debate on people following advice or footballers pay.
Meanwhile, testing and PPE get an easy ride.
It’s classic Cummins diversionary tactics.
 
1finny said:
I think it’s deliberate SM.
Allow and encourage lots of debate on people following advice or footballers pay.
Meanwhile, testing and PPE get an easy ride.
It’s classic Cummins diversionary tactics.
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Is Boris better?
 
borolad259 said:
It's telling that there's a 9 page discussion on the rules surrounding exercise outdoors and little being said about the lack of testing or PPE for hospital staff or the lack of ventilators and ICU beds/staff. One of these is way more critical to contagion and outcomes than the other.
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I'd agree but the lack of PPE is a worldwide issue that isn't just localised to this country.
Not saying it isn't a disgrace because it is but it's not just our country.
 
RandySavage said:
I'd agree but the lack of PPE is a worldwide issue that isn't just localised to this country.
Not saying it isn't a disgrace because it is but it's not just our country.
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I think that the issue is that a number of years ago countries were advised to stockpile things in case of a future pandemic. I know the UK decided not to spend the money. Around 2016/17 I think. I have not got details of the history of this in Spain.

Then all of the countries saw what was happening in China earlier this year. That should have triggered the starting of the stockpiling. That would have caused manufacturing to grow to meet the demand. Starting in February rather than much later.

It is easy to see this with hindsight.

The UK is in a particularly awkward state due to the running down of the NHS over a 10 year period. I feel that was the biggest mistake of the lot in the UK.
 
borolad259 said:
It's telling that there's a 9 page discussion on the rules surrounding exercise outdoors and little being said about the lack of testing or PPE for hospital staff or the lack of ventilators and ICU beds/staff. One of these is way more critical to contagion and outcomes than the other.
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I think that it indicates a few things actually bl.
One, discussions of a lack of PPE and ventilators could upset and worry those posters who have loved ones working on the front lines.
Two, it can be a depressing discussion to have and some posters have expressed to others that they should steer clear of such matters at risk of making others depressed.
Thirdly, social distancing is something that we all have power over.
Personally, I think avoiding such discussion is wrong and it is counterproductive, but I will always respect the delicate nature of such discussions.
 
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1finny said:
The government had a proposal 4 years ago to have bulk PPE contingency in case of a flu pandemic.
it was knocked back on grounds of ‘cost’.
We had a chance
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OK. It was 2016. I knew it was around then. Just could not remember.
 
dooderooni said:
I think that it indicates a few things actually bl.
One, discussions of a lack of PPE and ventilators could upset and worry those posters who have loved ones working on the front lines.
Two, it can be a depressing discussion to have and some posters have expressed to others that they should steer clear of such matters at risk of making others depressed.
Thirdly, social distancing is something that we all power over.
Personally, I think avoiding such discussion is wrong and it is counterproductive, but I will always respect the delicate nature of such discussions.
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I have written elsewhere on here of the horror that I felt watching a doctor having to choose who lives and dies in Madrid. Based on age. With a cut off age of 65. I was sobbing for ages afterwards. The video has now been removed from Facebook.

UPDATED: It was on youtube then referred to on Facebook. youtube took it down. I shared it on Facebook on 27 March.
 
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dooderooni said:
I think that it indicates a few things actually bl.
One, discussions of a lack of PPE and ventilators could upset and worry those posters who have loved ones working on the front lines.
Two, it can be a depressing discussion to have and some posters have expressed to others that they should steer clear of such matters at risk of making others depressed.
Thirdly, social distancing is something that we all power over.
Personally, I think avoiding such discussion is wrong and it is counterproductive, but I will always respect the delicate nature of such discussions.
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That is a fair point. Mrs 259 was, until Friday "an essential worker". She was pretty stressed about it but willing to carry on in a public facing job. She has now been furloughed (on standby). It is a tough one because. globally speaking, the number of deaths isn't huge (Hubei province alone has a population of 58 million) .... but for the people who get very sick, the people that have to treat them, and the families of both groups, this is of course extremely worrying. The fear of becoming one of the very small percentage of the population who will die ... and the fear of a loved one becoming one of those statistics is inevitably going to be disproportionate to the probability of it happening, unless you are in one of those high risk groups. It's only human to be anxious/frightened ... hence tempers running high in message board discussion.
 
THe truth is the lack of PPE has been done on another thread with 2 opposing views and started to go round in circles a bit.
 
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