Some people just voted out without thinking it through

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I wonder why he doesn't want to come back to the UK.

Shaun Cromber, who voted for Britain to leave the EU in 2016, told Global247News: “Yes I voted out, but I didn’t realise it would come to this, my application has been rejected and we are on our way home – the wife is in tears, she’s distraught if I’m honest and I’m not too happy at the prospect of returning back to the UK.


“I’ve loved living on the Costa del Sol and after 5 years can’t believe it has come to this, we applied but got rejected and so have no choice, although long term I think the Spanish will regret chucking us out of Spain”


 
Of course if they had previously registered as living in Spain, or France, or whichever country they had been living in before Brexit then they would have had no problem because they would have been considered as residents and paid their taxes like all good residents of a country do. but if they chose to just be visitors and not pay taxes, well.........

Oh and PS. You voted for it, you won, now suck it up!
 
The Sunday Times covered this in more detail a couple of weeks ago. I don't have a link so will have to post the text. I'm sure there are a lot of good and sensible british in Spain, but it has more than its fair share of brain dead.

Tempers fray among expats as Brexit rules cast shadow over Costa sunspots
Britons who planned a retirement in Spain are leaving rather than struggle with bureaucracy, travel curbs and fees


The Brexit vote was nearly five years ago, but the battle continues in Spain where the largest British expatriate community in Europe is at loggerheads over who is to blame for ending their idyll.

Tempers are running high over a welter of paperwork and post-Brexit rules depriving British visitors of the freedom to come and go as they please as well as requiring them to apply for residency cards and Spanish driving licences. It has forced many to abandon their sunny retirement and resettle in the UK.

Brexiteers and remainers are blaming each other. Gareth Thomas, 69, a former RAF engineer from Kent who lives in the hills outside Benidorm on the Costa Blanca, does not dare visit his favourite bar these days for fear of being attacked as an opponent of Brexit.

“I have been threatened with violence,” said the retired geography teacher. “I was told if I didn’t shut up this person was going to smash my face in. Brexiteers target people like me because they think if we ‘traitors’ had kept our mouths shut, it would have been plain sailing and we would have got a better deal from Europe.”

Between 800,000 and a million Britons are estimated to own a second home in Spain, and they were allowed to vote in the referendum as long as they had been registered to vote in Britain in the previous 15 years.

Brexiteers also have been feeling the heat. Mark Sampson, a former bar owner and fervent Brexiteer, said: “I get remainers trying to tell me their arguments. I’ve had a few shouting at me in bars. I am 6ft tall and 20 stone so no one’s going to take me on in a fight, but if they want to talk about Brexit, I give them both barrels.”

British-only enclaves along the “Costas” are Brexiteer hotbeds notorious for their unwillingness to integrate with Spanish society. The top three areas for Brits are the Costa del Sol in the south, the Costa Blanca further north and the Canary Islands. The Balearics are also popular. “They think they’re the best in the world these little Englanders,” said Baz Rhodes, a pensioner and paragliding guide who lives further inland. “The ones who voted for Brexit should keep their gobs shut.”

Rhodes, who is from Essex but has lived in Spain for two decades, said Brexit had complicated his happy retirement. “It’s taken away a lot of rights that we had. Now we need to get private medical insurance, which is expensive and hard to afford on my pension. I’ve had no earnings since the end of 2019.”

ince just before the referendum in 2016, the number of Britons registered as resident in Spain has fallen by 20,000 to 262,885. An even greater number, though, are thought to have taken advantage of the EU’s freedom of movement to live in Spain “under the radar”, without registering, and returning to the UK whenever they needed medical attention.

Those days are over. Now, like all other foreigners from outside the EU, British visitors who were once able to come and go on a whim will be limited to stays of 90 days within every 180 days. Those wishing to register as residents will have to jump through a number of bureaucratic hoops to prove earnings of £2,000 a month — and £500 more for each dependent — as well as acquire Spanish driving licences.

The end of the transition period on December 31 prompted a rush of applicants for residency cards before the new earnings requirement took effect. But the paperwork has proved taxing for many expats who speak little Spanish. Others who let properties in Spain are put off by the far higher tax they will have to pay as non-EU citizens.

“The Sunday roast, fish and chips brigade, have taken a big hit. A lot have thrown the keys back and buggered off,” said Julian Charter, an estate agent and former pub landlord from Newbury, Berkshire, living in southern Spain, who added that the pandemic had also contributed to this outflow.
Michel Euesden, owner of Euro Weekly, an English language newspaper in southern Spain, said: “Removal companies have never been busier. There’s an abundance of people leaving.”

Daphne Vallins, 64, has returned from southern Spain to live with her mother in Leatherhead, Surrey. “I did not want to apply for residence status. It would mean paying £100 a month in private health insurance, changing my UK driving licence into a Spanish one and having to pay my taxes in Spain,” she said.

Among those affected are so-called “swallows”, Britons with second homes in Spain who used to come and go as they pleased but will now have their passports stamped with entry visas limiting them to three months in Spain like other tourists from outside the EU. They are dispirited.
“We decided that it was all too much if we could only spend 90 days there,” said Chantal Purdy, a retired school examiner who, with her husband David, moved home to Hinckley, Leicestershire, last year for good.

“We are very sad as we adore our house in Spain. We never imagined that Brexit would stop all this. It is awful.”
Euesden said: “We were warning about the consequences of Brexit, but nobody took any notice. Now our lives have changed for ever.”

She was optimistic about the future, though, joking that today’s exodus was not as great as when a pirated satellite television service ceased operating in a giant British housing estate in Orihuela, near Murcia, a few years ago. “Suddenly they couldn’t get their Coronation Street. There weren’t enough trucks to take them all back.”

While many Britons are leaving “because they can’t get their favourite English sausages”, others are arriving, including many intent on escaping UK lockdowns for sunnier climes, and “digital nomads”, Euesden said.

“Spain was let down by people who didn’t have anything to offer,” she said. “But now I think people who’ll come will be a bit different.” Referring to job-seekers and “digital nomads”, she added: “They will be people who are earning their living.”
 
The 90 continuous days rule is a bit of a nuisance for property owning friends of mine here.

Before you could spend 182 days here continuously and 182 days in a calendar year here. Without becoming a tax resident.

A lot of people wintered over here for just under 6 months. Split over winter in 2 calendar years (approx beginning of October through to end of March).Without going back to the UK. They now have to go back at least once in the period.
 
The Sunday Times covered this in more detail a couple of weeks ago. I don't have a link so will have to post the text. I'm sure there are a lot of good and sensible british in Spain, but it has more than its fair share of brain dead.

Tempers fray among expats as Brexit rules cast shadow over Costa sunspots
Britons who planned a retirement in Spain are leaving rather than struggle with bureaucracy, travel curbs and fees


The Brexit vote was nearly five years ago, but the battle continues in Spain where the largest British expatriate community in Europe is at loggerheads over who is to blame for ending their idyll.

Tempers are running high over a welter of paperwork and post-Brexit rules depriving British visitors of the freedom to come and go as they please as well as requiring them to apply for residency cards and Spanish driving licences. It has forced many to abandon their sunny retirement and resettle in the UK.

Brexiteers and remainers are blaming each other. Gareth Thomas, 69, a former RAF engineer from Kent who lives in the hills outside Benidorm on the Costa Blanca, does not dare visit his favourite bar these days for fear of being attacked as an opponent of Brexit.

“I have been threatened with violence,” said the retired geography teacher. “I was told if I didn’t shut up this person was going to smash my face in. Brexiteers target people like me because they think if we ‘traitors’ had kept our mouths shut, it would have been plain sailing and we would have got a better deal from Europe.”

Between 800,000 and a million Britons are estimated to own a second home in Spain, and they were allowed to vote in the referendum as long as they had been registered to vote in Britain in the previous 15 years.

Brexiteers also have been feeling the heat. Mark Sampson, a former bar owner and fervent Brexiteer, said: “I get remainers trying to tell me their arguments. I’ve had a few shouting at me in bars. I am 6ft tall and 20 stone so no one’s going to take me on in a fight, but if they want to talk about Brexit, I give them both barrels.”

British-only enclaves along the “Costas” are Brexiteer hotbeds notorious for their unwillingness to integrate with Spanish society. The top three areas for Brits are the Costa del Sol in the south, the Costa Blanca further north and the Canary Islands. The Balearics are also popular. “They think they’re the best in the world these little Englanders,” said Baz Rhodes, a pensioner and paragliding guide who lives further inland. “The ones who voted for Brexit should keep their gobs shut.”

Rhodes, who is from Essex but has lived in Spain for two decades, said Brexit had complicated his happy retirement. “It’s taken away a lot of rights that we had. Now we need to get private medical insurance, which is expensive and hard to afford on my pension. I’ve had no earnings since the end of 2019.”

ince just before the referendum in 2016, the number of Britons registered as resident in Spain has fallen by 20,000 to 262,885. An even greater number, though, are thought to have taken advantage of the EU’s freedom of movement to live in Spain “under the radar”, without registering, and returning to the UK whenever they needed medical attention.

Those days are over. Now, like all other foreigners from outside the EU, British visitors who were once able to come and go on a whim will be limited to stays of 90 days within every 180 days. Those wishing to register as residents will have to jump through a number of bureaucratic hoops to prove earnings of £2,000 a month — and £500 more for each dependent — as well as acquire Spanish driving licences.

The end of the transition period on December 31 prompted a rush of applicants for residency cards before the new earnings requirement took effect. But the paperwork has proved taxing for many expats who speak little Spanish. Others who let properties in Spain are put off by the far higher tax they will have to pay as non-EU citizens.

“The Sunday roast, fish and chips brigade, have taken a big hit. A lot have thrown the keys back and buggered off,” said Julian Charter, an estate agent and former pub landlord from Newbury, Berkshire, living in southern Spain, who added that the pandemic had also contributed to this outflow.
Michel Euesden, owner of Euro Weekly, an English language newspaper in southern Spain, said: “Removal companies have never been busier. There’s an abundance of people leaving.”

Daphne Vallins, 64, has returned from southern Spain to live with her mother in Leatherhead, Surrey. “I did not want to apply for residence status. It would mean paying £100 a month in private health insurance, changing my UK driving licence into a Spanish one and having to pay my taxes in Spain,” she said.

Among those affected are so-called “swallows”, Britons with second homes in Spain who used to come and go as they pleased but will now have their passports stamped with entry visas limiting them to three months in Spain like other tourists from outside the EU. They are dispirited.
“We decided that it was all too much if we could only spend 90 days there,” said Chantal Purdy, a retired school examiner who, with her husband David, moved home to Hinckley, Leicestershire, last year for good.

“We are very sad as we adore our house in Spain. We never imagined that Brexit would stop all this. It is awful.”
Euesden said: “We were warning about the consequences of Brexit, but nobody took any notice. Now our lives have changed for ever.”

She was optimistic about the future, though, joking that today’s exodus was not as great as when a pirated satellite television service ceased operating in a giant British housing estate in Orihuela, near Murcia, a few years ago. “Suddenly they couldn’t get their Coronation Street. There weren’t enough trucks to take them all back.”

While many Britons are leaving “because they can’t get their favourite English sausages”, others are arriving, including many intent on escaping UK lockdowns for sunnier climes, and “digital nomads”, Euesden said.

“Spain was let down by people who didn’t have anything to offer,” she said. “But now I think people who’ll come will be a bit different.” Referring to job-seekers and “digital nomads”, she added: “They will be people who are earning their living.”
I enjoyed that Pierre, very informative.
A question- Does resident status mean becoming a Spanish citizen?
 
I enjoyed that Pierre, very informative.
A question- Does resident status mean becoming a Spanish citizen?
No. It means that you spend more than 1/2 of a calendar year here. Plus you pay your taxes here rather than the UK.

I am still a UK citizen with a UK passport. So is my wife. However I have applied for dual citizenship with Ireland. As my grandad was born in Northern Ireland.
 
No. It means that you spend more than 1/2 of a calendar year here. Plus you pay your taxes here rather than the UK.

I am still a UK citizen with a UK passport. So is my wife. However I have applied for dual citizenship with Ireland. As my grandad was born in Northern Ireland.
Thanks spanishman- Are the Spanish tax rates similar to UK- not that I am thinking of moving there but it seems that some people highlighted in the article objected to paying tax to Spain rather than the UK which I cannot understand if they are using Spanish services and facilities.
 
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I enjoyed that Pierre, very informative.
A question- Does resident status mean becoming a Spanish citizen?

The finer details of 'resident status' will vary in each european country, but in all cases will not require you to become a citizen. Becoming a citizen of your country will be advantageous particularly for people who need to travel and work freely in other european countries which has now become difficult for those brits.
 
Thanks spanishman- sorry about mixing your name up with another poster. Are the Spanish tax rates similar to UK- not that I am thinking of moving there but it seems that some people highlighted in the article objected to paying tax to Spain rather than the UK
Overall the tax rates are similar for regular annual income I think.

A big difference is about taking tax free lump sums out of pension schemes. There is no tax free allowance here for that. So best to take a tax free lump sum out when taxed in the UK. Before becoming tax resident in Spain.

Another thing to watch out for is that there are different autonomous region tax rates and rules. So for example taxation is different in Andalucía compared with Madrid. Or any other autonomous region.
 
Overall the tax rates are similar for regular annual income I think.

A big difference is about taking tax free lump sums out of pension schemes. There is no tax free allowance here. So best to take a tax free lump sum out when taxed in the UK. Before becoming tax resident in Spain.

Another thing to watch out for is that there are different autonomous region tax rates and rules. So for example taxation is different in Andalucía compared with Madrid. Or any other autonomous region.
Thanks spanishman. I was just curious as to why these people objected to paying Spanish taxes rather than UK ones. Do they live tax free in Spain
 
I wonder why he doesn't want to come back to the UK.

Shaun Cromber, who voted for Britain to leave the EU in 2016, told Global247News: “Yes I voted out, but I didn’t realise it would come to this, my application has been rejected and we are on our way home – the wife is in tears, she’s distraught if I’m honest and I’m not too happy at the prospect of returning back to the UK.


“I’ve loved living on the Costa del Sol and after 5 years can’t believe it has come to this, we applied but got rejected and so have no choice, although long term I think the Spanish will regret chucking us out of Spain”


No doubt these people were massively influenced by the lies told by Johnson, Gove, Cummings and given a mass market in the Sun.

Brexit is an absolute disgrace on this country.
 
Thanks spanishman- Are the Spanish tax rates similar to UK- not that I am thinking of moving there but it seems that some people highlighted in the article objected to paying tax to Spain rather than the UK which I cannot understand if they are using Spanish services and facilities.

It's a classic case of turkeys voting for Christmas. If they wanted to retain their questionable lifestyle in Spain they should have swallowed their patriotic pride and voted for remain, but the fools couldn't see that.
 
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