This Brexit stuff just gets stranger

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Shell fish farmers threaten to sue DEFRA for loss of business to the EU because of Brexit
These are the very people who voted to leave.
Mind you, it would be funnier if they could sue George Eustace personally as he was the one who was giving assurances that their trade would not be affected, even assuring the shellfish farmers that the EU was wrong, despite the UK being involved in drawing up the rules.
www.theguardian.com

UK shellfish farmers threaten legal action over ban on exports to EU

Industry claims it was misled by Defra over post-Brexit position and will sue unless trade with union restarts soon
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
Just another example of the denial that has been the hallmark of the post Brexit discourse.
 
I always remember that young lass on Gogglebox who said she didn't know enough about the consequences to make an informed decision about the vote.
Sadly, it is now becoming blatantly obvious that a large number of people who voted leave are only just thinking about the consequences.
 
Centralscrutinizer said:
It's all been said before, but if I ran a business that relied on exports to the EU, I'd have been having a jolly good look at the detail and possible consequences of leaving before voting in the referendum.

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I was and I did and as a result I wanted to remain. But we left and in business you can’t hang about and reflect, you have to deal with what changed and put you in the situation you’re in today and deal with it TODAY beacause if you wait you’re left behind and that means you lose.

We‘re out, fine, then we need to deal with that the best way we can, move on and f*** em all.
 
Ingleby_Flash said:
I was and I did and as a result I wanted to remain. But we left and in business you can’t hang about and reflect, you have to deal with what changed and put you in the situation you’re in today and deal with it TODAY beacause if you wait you’re left behind and that means you lose.

We‘re out, fine, then we need to deal with that the best way we can, move on and f*** em all.
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Not easy to do when your whole market has disappeared overnight, despite reassurance that this would not be the case.

The government need to be held accountable for their lies and I hope this happens with these legal proceedings.
 
dooderooni said:
Sadly, it is now becoming blatantly obvious that a large number of people who voted leave are only just thinking about the consequences.
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Let's be honest regardless of which side anyone voted on, maybe only 0.1% of the population had any knowledge or experience of international trade. The populace was not educated in the necessary areas to make an informed decision. The few people that had in depth knowledge where those pesky experts who said it would be harmful to leave and could in worst case be catastrophic.
 
Colgates_shaving_foam said:
I do feel sorry for them.

Just another group who were sold a lie so that a few very rich people could get even richer.

Sad thing is that project fear is turning into reality.
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Just look at the mid-ninties when Rupert Murdoch was trying to influence John Major to leave the EU. The likes of Murdoch and other people with money and influence have played the long game and planted enough subliminal messages.

Murdoch had the perfect little puppet in Farage and he made sure UKIP were front and centre for years. From about 2007, Farage was given unprecedented access to main line media. Even the BBC had him on Question Time and other political programs. He only ever mentioned one thing - leave the European Union.

Andrew Nel made an interesting observation on this. Murdoch had real power in London, Canberra and Washington D.C. However, nobody in Brussels paid him attention and he hated it. He was unable to pull the strings in Europe. We think we have a democracy? It's a complete charade in reality. Too few people are in control for their own interests.
 
HolgateCorner said:
It was a racist vote predominantly, let’s face up to it.
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Definitely, saying it was for anything else is a smokescreen of BS which has been continuously debunked and was debunked years ago.

The main reason for the vote was either racist, ignoring racism or living in some sort of dream world where they think racism doesn't exist.

I don't believe the latter part though, especially not for the majority and most vocal of "brexiteers", being the old folk who tended to vote more towards Tory/ Brexit. Racism was a little more rife, visible and acceptable for them when they were "growing up". It's hardly even reduced in my opinion, but the racists are there, just under the surface, well aware that their beliefs are against the law, so they keep the comments to themselves, unless around other racists or in settings where it's likely to be more acceptable.

You could also substitute racism for xenophobia, or a belief they have that we're better than anyone else, which we're not, not by far. Waving a flag doesn't make them patriotic, especially when it's a union flag and they voted for something the rest of the union don't want. They might as well be burning the flag, it would be more in line with what they're doing.
 
DearChicago said:
Not easy to do when your whole market has disappeared overnight, despite reassurance that this would not be the case.

The government need to be held accountable for their lies and I hope this happens with these legal proceedings.
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Very true, but if you are running a business you can’t just shrug your shoulders and say ’the government should be accountable for this’. You don’t have that luxury, those people you employ still need to pay their mortgages at the end of the month.

You need to dig in and adapt, deal with the situation. Every situation is different, your customers and their demand still exist, is there another way to get to them? Are there potential new customers and markets? Can you adapt what you supply? I regret we’ve left Europe, in my view it was wrong. But that‘s history now, my point is do we either deal with the hand we’re played or just give up. Giving up isn’t the option.
 
Ingleby_Flash said:
Very true, but if you are running a business you can’t just shrug your shoulders and say ’the government should be accountable for this’. You don’t have that luxury, those people you employ still need to pay their mortgages at the end of the month.

You need to dig in and adapt, deal with the situation. Every situation is different, your customers and their demand still exist, is there another way to get to them? Are there potential new customers and markets? Can you adapt what you supply? I regret we’ve left Europe, in my view it was wrong. But that‘s history now, my point is do we either deal with the hand we’re played or just give up. Giving up isn’t the option.
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So your only realistic market is the UK if Europe business has disappeared. How do you encourage more people to eat shellfish in large numbers? There might be other markets outside the EU. But the Government has put in charge of fresh trade deals Liz Truss who is woefully out of her depth.
 
Cardiffdaffs said:
So your only realistic market is the UK if Europe business has disappeared. How do you encourage more people to eat shellfish in large numbers? There might be other markets outside the EU. But the Government has put in charge of fresh trade deals Liz Truss who is woefully out of her depth.
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What would you do?
 
Ingleby_Flash said:
Very true, but if you are running a business you can’t just shrug your shoulders and say ’the government should be accountable for this’. You don’t have that luxury, those people you employ still need to pay their mortgages at the end of the month.

You need to dig in and adapt, deal with the situation. Every situation is different, your customers and their demand still exist, is there another way to get to them? Are there potential new customers and markets? Can you adapt what you supply? I regret we’ve left Europe, in my view it was wrong. But that‘s history now, my point is do we either deal with the hand we’re played or just give up. Giving up isn’t the option.
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This betrays a fundamental lack of understanding of trade and the depth and scale of the problem. If you think the damage that Brexit has done can be fixed by ‘digging in and adapting’ then you simply don’t understand the problems these businesses are facing. I’m absolutely certain that every business suffering at the hands of Brexit is doing absolutely everything to try and improve their situation, but it’s never going to replace what has been lost. To argue otherwise is ridiculously naive.
 
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