'Real men don't wear masks'.......FFS

TheYorkshireTerrier said:
'They're coming for your children next' is definitely something that the blue tick anti-vaxxers constantly tweet. Thought I recognised it straight away:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1402353002644660229

Literally just repeating what they say word for word, almost like... a cult
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Don't have twittrer, had a log on a long time ago & binned it after a week & going by a lot of stuff I've heard about that people post on there I'm not missing anything either
 
magic said:
Just out of interest, what right would anyone have had to confront them?? The guideline quite clearly states you have no right to ask anyone about their exemption status. Rather than getting self righteous and bullying people (obviously depending on their size and probably sex) why don’t you just keep away from them if you’re that terrified.
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A shop is well entitled to refuse entry to people who it perceives as increasing the risk to its staff or customers, in any way. They don't have to ask for exemption status, they could just point blank refuse entry, but they often don't to avoid confrontation.

I'm about as terrified of them as they are of a piece of cloth, but they wouldn't have the stones to not wear it in a hospital or an airport etc.
 
Andy_W said:
I disagree, largely as it's not just what he posted here, it's what he's repeatedly posted over and over, which you have seen as you've been on all the same threads as me. He's been on about "the now" for months or whatever. But I'll get onto the rest after his quote.

How you read it and how most will/ may read it will be very different. To me it looks pure 100% conspiracy, and illogical, which is seemingly why he was put on the naughty step, and why quite a few argued against him for it.

When did Johnson say we might have a tough autumn, in what context? I've not heard them mention another lockdown (albeit I pay little attention to BJ), and what do you mean by lockdown (now isn't a lockdown for example)?
We might be in for a tough autumn, due to flu, and other viruses, or how this third wave pans out, but why would there be another lockdown, if most adults are double jabbed by then, and we like also have boosters? Flu and other virus have a low R0 and are also nowhere near as deadly, and would be starting from an absolutely tiny base level, we would have an unreal head start on all of them.



There is, once it's under control, which science and maths says isn't far away. Delta threw a massive spanner in the works, obviously.
Vaccines have always been the way out, nothing has changed there, the degree of vaccine cover/ infection required is proportional to the R0 of the virus you're fighting. Virus R0 goes up, vaccine cover/ infection has to go up (until you reach your reasonable limit). Herd immunity limits are higher for more transmissible viruses, it's been this way forever. virus changes/ circumstances chage.
Nobody has accepted the "new normal" not who I know anyway, never mind the majority, 99.9% of people hate it, just most are ok with it until we get most double jabbed. Seemingly it's only the AZ lot who double jabs matter most to (as first jab cover is lower than pfizer), as far as hospitalisation goes, so as soon as they're done and the <40 who want it have all had 1 jab and 2-3 weeks build-up, then 90% of the reason for 99% of restrictions disappears.

There will be tiny support for restrictive measures, never mind lockdowns once we have all adults who want the jab, double jabbed, but most realise we're not quite there yet.
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Ah right I've got it. It's not what he said is what you think he means based on previous posts. Got it.

Last week Johnson said in the press that he sees nothing in the data to delay the July reading of restrictions but we could be in for a tough autumn and needed to prepare for second round of vaccinations.

He is preparing people for more restrictions later on the year, though its difficult to tell with him.

Interestingly enough on June the 1st Johnson said he sees nothing in the data to delay easing restrictions in June, then on the second of June said the data is not looking good.

The man is an idiot and he is treating the electorate as idiots.

You believe that once we are vaccinated restrictions will end. Funky doesn't think they will and it is not an illogical viewpoint given what we know of this government and there attitude to the emergency covid bill which has again been extended.
 
magic said:
Just out of interest, what right would anyone have had to confront them?? The guideline quite clearly states you have no right to ask anyone about their exemption status. Rather than getting self righteous and bullying people (obviously depending on their size and probably sex) why don’t you just keep away from them if you’re that terrified.
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The rights of being a decent citizen. You can get mask exemption badges if you really are exempt. If I ran a store I simply wouldn't let unmasked people in.
 
Laughing said:
Ah right I've got it. It's not what he said is what you think he means based on previous posts. Got it.

Last week Johnson said in the press that he sees nothing in the data to delay the July reading of restrictions but we could be in for a tough autumn and needed to prepare for second round of vaccinations.

He is preparing people for more restrictions later on the year, though its difficult to tell with him.

Interestingly enough on June the 1st Johnson said he sees nothing in the data to delay easing restrictions in June, then on the second of June said the data is not looking good.

The man is an idiot and he is treating the electorate as idiots.

You believe that once we are vaccinated restrictions will end. Funky doesn't think they will and it is not an illogical viewpoint given what we know of this government and there attitude to the emergency covid bill which has again been extended.
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Yeah, as that's why he's been put on the naughty step, see the admins post, which was part of my point.

Right, so from "could be in for a tough Autumn", you've assumed that to mean lockdown, and chicken man the same? How? We've not had heavy restrictions for months, so why would we need a lockdown in Autumn?

So I (and many others) are wrong to now assume FC is anit-vax/ conspiracy, but you're ok to assume there will be a "lockdown" in autumn?

Don't confuse BJ's crap with logic relating to restrictions, vaccines, masks, modelling etc.

BJ is just saying what his clown voters want him to say, they love it, it's fine to be against him and on the side of logic and science, without going all conspiracy/ anti-vax.

I don't see there being another lockdown (whether we ever had a lockdown, and what constitutes a lockdown is debatable), and unlikely there being any heavy restrictions (and what we have now is far from heavy). There's little reason to think there will be, based on current and increasing vaccination levels, building immunity levels, increasing no's of the population getting natural immunity through infection etc, expected herd immunity thresholds, modelling and science.
Funky's "logic" seems to misunderstand that the government don't want the lockdowns, as it loses them money (the rich don't like paying the poor's furlough and not getting tax) and votes, they just don't want to crack the NHS in half as that will lose them more votes. When the latter is practically proven to be at as low a risk as is reasonably practical, then the remaining restrictions will be lifted. Masks may be "requested" in winter for some settings, but I've nothing against that.
 
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magic said:
If you cannot see there is something not quite right about all this now then I despair.
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We're past the time of vague insinuations.

What is it that doesn't seem "quite right"?

I've seen nothing to suggest this isn't exactly what it seems to be on the surface.

We know pandemics such as this come round every hundred years or so.
We know viruses mutate.
We know basic hygiene measures such as masks and hand washing are effective.

So what doesn't seem right? IF you can't be specific about it, that probably means everything is right.
 
Frozen Horse said:
We're past the time of vague insinuations.

What is it that doesn't seem "quite right"?

I've seen nothing to suggest this isn't exactly what it seems to be on the surface.

We know pandemics such as this come round every hundred years or so.
We know viruses mutate.
We know basic hygiene measures such as masks and hand washing are effective.

So what doesn't seem right? IF you can't be specific about it, that probably means everything is right.
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Don't you know mate? you need to do your 'own research', apparently
 
Andy_W said:
Yeah, as that's why he's been put on the naughty step, see the admins post, which was part of my point.

Right, so from "could be in for a tough Autumn", you've assumed that to mean lockdown, and chicken man the same? How? We've not had heavy restrictions for months, so why would we need a lockdown in Autumn?

So I (and many others) are wrong to now assume FC is anit-vax/ conspiracy, but you're ok to assume there will be a "lockdown" in autumn?

Don't confuse BJ's crap with logic relating to restrictions, vaccines, masks, modelling etc.

BJ is just saying what his clown voters want him to say, they love it, it's fine to be against him and on the side of logic and science, without going all conspiracy/ anti-vax.

I don't see there being another lockdown (whether we ever had a lockdown, and what constitutes a lockdown is debatable), and unlikely there being any heavy restrictions (and what we have now is far from heavy). There's little reason to think there will be, based on current and increasing vaccination levels, building immunity levels, increasing no's of the population getting natural immunity through infection etc, expected herd immunity thresholds, modelling and science.
Funky's "logic" seems to misunderstand that the government don't want the lockdowns, as it loses them money (the rich don't like paying the poor's furlough and not getting tax) and votes, they just don't want to crack the NHS in half as that will lose them more votes. When the latter is practically proven to be at as low a risk as is reasonably practical, then the remaining restrictions will be lifted. Masks may be "requested" in winter for some settings, but I've nothing against that.
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I haven't assumed anything Andy, in fact I clearly said you couldn't be sure with Johnson.

You can assume whatever you want about Funky Chicken, I simply stated I saw nothing anti-vax about his post for which he has been banned. It was the post he got banned for, not previous posts.

I am not confusing anything Johnson is saying with anything, but ultimately if he wants additional restriction he will impose them. He has extended restrictions solely because he wanted an extension to the covid emergency bill, nothing more nothing less. That's why the June 14th date was selected for the announcement with the debate and vote in parliament 2 days later.

On what constitutes a lockdown, it's not really for you or I to say what restrictions are too many. That is for each individual to decide for themselves. You think everything is fine, the current restrictions don't bother me, but then I don't have a wedding planned at the end of this month, or a 60th birthday party or a 21st birthday party. Just because you are OK with the current level of restrictions, and consider them to be minor, that isn't the case for everyone else.

Furlough hasn't been extended so it costs the rich nothing to extend the measures. The measures, BTW, that don't really apply to the rich, see G7 and Euro final.

Johnson and his cabinet do want lockdowns at some level for the reasons given above.

Again, Funky has said nothing anti-vaxx in this thread that I can see. His logic is using different bases to begin than your's does. He hasn't questioned the science in this thread, though he has in other threads. He simply states that in the autumn the government will use some other excuse to continue restrictive measures.

You and admin are playing the man here, not the post.
 
Laughing said:
I haven't assumed anything Andy, in fact I clearly said you couldn't be sure with Johnson.

You can assume whatever you want about Funky Chicken, I simply stated I saw nothing anti-vax about his post for which he has been banned. It was the post he got banned for, not previous posts.

I am not confusing anything Johnson is saying with anything, but ultimately if he wants additional restriction he will impose them. He has extended restrictions solely because he wanted an extension to the covid emergency bill, nothing more nothing less. That's why the June 14th date was selected for the announcement with the debate and vote in parliament 2 days later.
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I don't have to assume, it's written in pages of text which is plain to see. You assumed there was going to be another lockdown, or were backing up FC's assumption that there would be, neither based on logic. Just because we've had heavy restrictions twice, when in higher waves and with 0% vaccinated, does not mean we're heading for a lockdown in Autumn, with less cases and 80% of adults fully vaccinated, nowhere near.

Erm, nope, he got banned for continuous anxti-vax and unfounded conspiracy crap, and largely only gets backed up by those pushing the same narrative, or people $hit stirring. He was seemingly on a fine line and then enough was enough, see below:

fmttmadmin said:
Funky Chicken or Selfish Chicken?
Take another 2 days out from this site for continued anti-vaxxer propaganda - at a very sensitive time.
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Johnson extended restrictions because of Delta, it's that simple and the bill has to be extended to cover all possibilities of the models for Delta, as it's the only logical thing to do.

Laughing said:
On what constitutes a lockdown, it's not really for you or I to say what restrictions are too many. That is for each individual to decide for themselves. You think everything is fine, the current restrictions don't bother me, but then I don't have a wedding planned at the end of this month, or a 60th birthday party or a 21st birthday party. Just because you are OK with the current level of restrictions, and consider them to be minor, that isn't the case for everyone else.

Furlough hasn't been extended so it costs the rich nothing to extend the measures. The measures, BTW, that don't really apply to the rich, see G7 and Euro final.
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I would call a lockdown, locking the place down, and massively restricting inward and outward travel, something which we've largely never done, and always failed to do early enough.
The individuals can't decide the level of restrictions, it's too selfish, we can't do every man for themselves as nearly everyone will lose.
I've never once said everything is fine, ever, stop trying to falsely back up your "argument".

Furlough isn't the only cost, and far, far, far from it. Furlugh runs till September and they're not planning on having any further heavy restrictions beyond then. It costs the rich a lot, where do you think their tax is going to be going for the next 10 years, what about struggling business etc, do the rich have no interest in that?

Laughing said:
You and admin are playing the man here, not the post.
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He is what he posts, it's a collection of the same thing, and admin has got sick of it, and all you're doing is stirring the $hit, as all you seem to do is back up those with similar views.

Anyway, that's enough CBA arguing anymore with your weak defence of people being illogical. I don't get why you do it, when you "apparently" have opposing views.
 
SuperStu said:
You haven't given any reasons above.

Johnsons extending the lockdown cause he doesn't have his 21st birthday coming up? You're talking nonsense gadge.
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you need to re-read, he extended lockdown when he did to get support for the extension to the emergency covid bill. It may well have been the right thing to do but he did it for the wrong reasons. Had the bill already been extended he would have lifted restrictions on June 21st, in-line with every other time he has lifted restrictions against all scientific advice.
 
Andy_W said:
I don't have to assume, it's written in pages of text which is plain to see. You assumed there was going to be another lockdown, or were backing up FC's assumption that there would be, neither based on logic. Just because we've had heavy restrictions twice, when in higher waves and with 0% vaccinated, does not mean we're heading for a lockdown in Autumn, with less cases and 80% of adults fully vaccinated, nowhere near.

Erm, nope, he got banned for continuous anxti-vax and unfounded conspiracy crap, and largely only gets backed up by those pushing the same narrative, or people $hit stirring. He was seemingly on a fine line and then enough was enough, see below:



Johnson extended restrictions because of Delta, it's that simple and the bill has to be extended to cover all possibilities of the models for Delta, as it's the only logical thing to do.



I would call a lockdown, locking the place down, and massively restricting inward and outward travel, something which we've largely never done, and always failed to do early enough.
The individuals can't decide the level of restrictions, it's too selfish, we can't do every man for themselves as nearly everyone will lose.
I've never once said everything is fine, ever, stop trying to falsely back up your "argument".

Furlough isn't the only cost, and far, far, far from it. Furlugh runs till September and they're not planning on having any further heavy restrictions beyond then. It costs the rich a lot, where do you think their tax is going to be going for the next 10 years, what about struggling business etc, do the rich have no interest in that?



He is what he posts, it's a collection of the same thing, and admin has got sick of it, and all you're doing is stirring the $hit, as all you seem to do is back up those with similar views.

Anyway, that's enough CBA arguing anymore with your weak defence of people being illogical. I don't get why you do it, when you "apparently" have opposing views.
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Lots of opinion there Andy, nothing wrong with that, but that's all it is.

You think there is no lockdown, I don't agree our definitions vary a lot. The government telling me I can't have my entire family over for dinner is a massive reduction in freedom.

Johnson didn't extend restrictions because of delta. There is nothing in his playbook so far to suggest he cares one iota about old people dying.

Again you get to insulting, nice one. Someone doesn't agree with you, they are illogical and weak. You may think so, and good for you.

I guess in 6 months you will be back telling us all it's for the greater good.
 
Laughing said:
you need to re-read, he extended lockdown when he did to get support for the extension to the emergency covid bill. It may well have been the right thing to do but he did it for the wrong reasons. Had the bill already been extended he would have lifted restrictions on June 21st, in-line with every other time he has lifted restrictions against all scientific advice.
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Rubbish. 80+ majority and he's about to win another seat in a byelection. If he wanted to extend the emergency bill he could easily do so, restrictions or none.
 
SuperStu said:
Rubbish. 80+ majority and he's about to win another seat in a byelection. If he wanted to extend the emergency bill he could easily do so, restrictions or none.
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If you say so. There are some powerful back benchers in his own party which oppose him in parliament. Maybe he could. maybe not.
 
Laughing said:
The government telling me I can't have my entire family over for dinner is a massive reduction in freedom.
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Why do you need your entire family over during a pandemic? Do you not think Manchester hospital should take precedence over your large family dinner for the next month? Can you not manage half and half, or go to a restaurant over a couple of tables? Not really hard or much hardship (for you) is it?

Johnson didn't extend restrictions because of delta.
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:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: Laughing? More like you're having a laugh. It moved the goalposts massively, he just tried to ignore it for too long as he was in Modi's pocket.

There is nothing in his playbook so far to suggest he cares one iota about old people dying.
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He might not do, but the majority of the population do, and he/ his party needs their votes.

I guess in 6 months you will be back telling us all it's for the greater good.
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Why would I do that? I can say with practical certainty that I won't be doing that, as everyone who wants a jab will have been jabbed twice, which has been my point all along, and some may even have had a booster.
I was saying remove restrictions early a few months back, before BJ let Delta in.
 
Andy_W said:
Why do you need your entire family over during a pandemic? Do you not think Manchester hospital should take precedence over your large family dinner for the next month? Can you not manage half and half, or go to a restaurant over a couple of tables? Not really hard or much hardship (for you) is it?


:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: Laughing? More like you're having a laugh. It moved the goalposts massively, he just tried to ignore it for too long as he was in Modi's pocket.


He might not do, but the majority of the population do, and he/ his party needs their votes.


Why would I do that? I can say with practical certainty that I won't be doing that, as everyone who wants a jab will have been jabbed twice, which has been my point all along, and some may even have had a booster.
I was saying remove restrictions early a few months back, before BJ let Delta in.
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I don't need my entire family over and comparing it with hospitalizations is not what I was doing. I was pointing out there are still restrictions and some extreme ones at that. Argue the points I am making, not what you want to argue Andy.

You know what, it doesn't matter what I say, it is a complete waste of my time talking to you. You have no interest in other peoples opinions, you are arrogant enough to actually believe you are right and anyone who disagrees is stupid. Carry on without me.

You're on the ignore list, I don't need to interact with someone like you, my life is way too short and you are too pointless.
 
magic said:
the narrative that is spoonfed to you by the sage and government mouthpieces of the MSM
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......Its amazing how many conspiracy theorists/mask/lockdown sceptics trot this out, all while swallowing the narrative spoonfed to them by the lesser regulated media sources, clickbait shock jock radio stations, basically unregulated YouTube and Facebook shared videos, and a whole host of grifters on Twitter who monetise controversy for their own personal financial gain.

Those people often have history, generally. They sometimes have links to the same organisations that are behind stuff like climate change denial.
These people are not out there looking to expose the truth.
They are not looking to help the little guy.
They are looking to generate clicks and publicity by selling controversy, conning and manipulating the little guy. They are the Toby Youngs and Julia Hartley Brewers, the Ivor Cummins, Joel Smalleys, David Patons, HART, PCR claims etc of the world. They are leaches, milking you and all others who propagate their lies. Laughing as they stay relevant and earn money from you, sewing division and stirring up anger.

Most of us know the MSM is corrupt and does not push an agenda that is in the best interests of the majority of the general public. This isn’t news to us.
But the scientific consensus IS there in the best interests of us all, and a few dubiously credentialed (and now generally discounted by their peers) fringe scientists repeatedly trotted out by a few well known, lesser regulated, click bait media outlets, both on air and online, should not be the ones people are listening to.
And if you do, then if you do any level of research at all, you should be able to discount them fairly sharpish, as you will quickly see the real scientists destroying their arguments and data misrepresentation with the real facts, studies and evidence.

blah blah blah etc etc Fed up of seeing the Facebook and Twitter crowd spouting this ‘SAGE AND MSM are the baddies’ guff while seemingly being completely unaware that they are getting their data and information from sources even less credible, less honest and way more corrupted than even our dishonest MSM. As somebody who did a deep dive down the rabbit hole, with open mind, I feel like I can now talk from the perspective of both sides. Some stuff in the MSM is wrong and remains so. Fear and overstating downside scenarios in the media was sometimes used as a tool by Government to encourage compliance. Sometimes models were just wrong. Because that’s the nature of models!
But most stuff in the alternative media and antivax, anti-lockdown etc crowd on social media is downright lies or clever data misrepresentation. They rely on the fact the average social media user isn’t going to the right places to check the sources or context of the (supposed) data they show.

Ignore the media. Fine. The real world stuff is there for all to see.

There is a deadly global pandemic.

It is worse than the flu.

It doesn’t only impact old people.

Governments and societies throughout the world have really struggled to deal with it.

Lockdowns do work.

Masks are effective (at least when used correctly in some settings, to some degree.)

Health systems throughout the world have been at very real risk of being overwhelmed.

Viruses do mutate.

Delta has set us back.

VACCINES DO WORK.

Vaccines are still the way out of this.
 
FabioPorkpie said:
......Its amazing how many conspiracy theorists/mask/lockdown sceptics trot this out, all while swallowing the narrative spoonfed to them by the lesser regulated media sources, clickbait shock jock radio stations, basically unregulated YouTube and Facebook shared videos, and a whole host of grifters on Twitter who monetise controversy for their own personal financial gain.
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This times one thousand. I'm sick of having this conversation, especially with colleagues from our Texas office. Everything on Fox or God forbid One America, or even Alex Jones is fact. Anything in the New York Times or on CNN is Chinese/communist/socialist lies and propaganda. They then watch Scamdemic on YouTube because 'it makes some good points' and then they're inches away from getting sucked down the Q Anon satanic pedo democrats wormhole.

The fringes of the MSM and the people posting all the nonsense on social media have a lot to answer for.
 
Caesium137 said:
This times one thousand. I'm sick of having this conversation, especially with colleagues from our Texas office. Everything on Fox or God forbid One America, or even Alex Jones is fact. Anything in the New York Times or on CNN is Chinese/communist/socialist lies and propaganda. They then watch Scamdemic on YouTube because 'it makes some good points' and then they're inches away from getting sucked down the Q Anon satanic pedo democrats wormhole.

The fringes of the MSM and the people posting all the nonsense on social media have a lot to answer for.
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I know, it’s crazy!

’Don't listen to mainstream media!’ .......says lesser known media wanting to attract attention and listeners.

’Don‘t listen to successful proven scientists!’ ........say fringe scientists wanting to attract attention and research funding.

’Covid isn’t a big deal! They are stealing your freedoms! You should all just get back to work and ignore it!’...........says anybody on the payroll of big ‘king of the jungle’ business who want the plebs (that’s us) to get the **** back to work to keep the economies ticking and the money rolling into their coffers.

’Hospitals aren’t busy!’ ........ says anybody with an interest in seeing the NHS overwhelmed and, as a result, be deemed unfit for purpose or reformed to allow their chums to make a packet off privatisation.


‘Ok.....I’ll spread your message and do your work for you’...... say 100s of 1000s of decent, hard working but misdirected, manipulated, incorrectly informed, conned people on Facebook, Twitter, etc
All against their own best interests.
 
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