Colgates_shaving_foam
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4. Even if three injections each were needed per year I don't see what the problem is?
It would be well worth it if it prevents us being locked down or prevents the NHS from falling over.
So Compulsory Vaccinations are Happening Then…..
- Thread starter Colin Warnek
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It would be well worth it if it prevents us being locked down or prevents the NHS from falling over.
DanJC
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1) The NHS has been threatened with falling over every winter for the past 20 years. When do we accept it needs to change if locking down is the only way to keep it running and potentially losing other important appointments and misdiagnoses in the process?
2) Why should we lockdown ever again at this stage if we believe in the injection? If you can't see the problem with that I just don't think its worth further debate.
Laughing
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You are talking to folks that are vaccinated, but have a different opinion to you, so maybe we aren't believing bs.
Colgates_shaving_foam
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1. The NHS needs saving from the tories in the long term, it needs proper funding but that isn't happening in the short term.
2.The vaccine is working miracles and I just cannot understand why people have an issue with having a booster every so often?
sherlock
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Nonsense. The viral load may be the same at the peak of a breakthrough infection, but that breakthrough infection is a lot less likely if vaccinated and the infectious period is shorter. Stop telling half a story to suit your agenda.
sherlock
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Where to even start with someone who would rather normalise 70,000+ deaths a year than (shock horror) a booster vaccination.....
sherlock
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You claimed countries advocating mandatory vaccines had a vaccine uptake rate of 43%. You then claimed this proved their citizens were against any such measure.
This is objectively wrong.
Austria has a vaccine uptake rate of 66% meaning that using your logic most citizens would be in favour of mandatory vaccines.
You lied. To suit your own agenda. Like the Tory you are.
sherlock
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Oh behave, there's far more mental gymnastics needed to argue against vaccines than for them
Laughing
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I don't think people have an issue with boosters. I think people have an issue with a segregated society based on the poor efficacy of vaccines when talking about transmission.
You have to be caeful about confusing the 2.
I would also say that 3 boosters a year is, at our current rate of boosters, is unachievable. I would also say that there are other frameworks that could be used to reduce infection rates that are being ignored by our government.
Yes, in most circumstances, people should get vaccinated, thats not really the argument here.
Randy
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Who pays for the three injections a year? They are 'free' for the time being but that will soon change next year.
Plus three covid vaccine injections a year doesn't say much about the effectiveness of said vaccine does it?
3 boosters per year tells me everything I need to know.
That the vaccine is less effective now then when it was made also tells me that it’s not a long term solution.
Regardless of effectiveness I personally think it’s a dangerous line to cross when we allow governments to write vaccine into law. The government do not and cannot be allowed to force people medication they don’t want.
It’s crazy thinking at not letting rational people end their life when death is imminent but forcing rational people to have a vaccine of their (governments) choosing.
That the vaccine is less effective now then when it was made also tells me that it’s not a long term solution.
Regardless of effectiveness I personally think it’s a dangerous line to cross when we allow governments to write vaccine into law. The government do not and cannot be allowed to force people medication they don’t want.
It’s crazy thinking at not letting rational people end their life when death is imminent but forcing rational people to have a vaccine of their (governments) choosing.
Randy
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Most have had three already this year. Unless the recipe has changed from the first two I can't see why it would be any different going forward? Unless each injection builds more and more Immunity until you are 'topped up'?
Scrote
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Because too many people believe anything that backs up their anti-vax stance and we're still nowhere near the levels we need to be to return to normal.
The anti-vaxxers are needlessly prolonging things.
Laughing
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My daughter when she heard you were a chef called you Gordon Randy!
Laughing
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We are around 90% I believe, of the over 18's that is a verry good take up of a vaccine. never mind a new one.
Scrote
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Firstly, the anti-vax team are far more vocal and far less honest - the vax side don't need tribalism because they have the science behind them.
Secondly the anti-vax team are trying to demand that the vax-team accept higher than necessary deaths, illness and a prolonged exposure to covid through not tackling the core issue.
Laughing
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Assuming, of course that people supporting the right to not be vaccinated, are, themselves, unvaccinated. As far as I am aware everyone on this thread is vaccinated, so your argument doesnt really stand up.
Whilst I agree with the idea that being vaccinated, for most, is the obvious thing to do, I support people right to choose.
Scrote
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All the experts decried the slow response and utterly unrealistic promises made by the government.
The goalposts move as the situation changes. By prolonging the time the virus has to mutate by not dealing with it, you force the moving of the goalposts.
Before the Delta variant we had a reasonable chance of being out of this already. Lack of action and poor decisions have put us where we are.
Scrote
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I'm fundamentally against vaccine passports but at some point we have to look at why we aren't getting out of the current cycle.
If that means that decisions have consequences then as long as there is clear time-frames on any legislation then I'm getting less worried about a two-tier society when it comes to covid.