SmallTown
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Thats the funniest thing I've read. Thanks for bring some comedy into the thread!
In praise of EV'S
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SmallTown
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He's just having a laugh now. His trolling is like the Tory government's corruption. Once the insidious and faux intelligent trolling/corruption gets called out, instead of being contrite you just double down and get more bold and ridiculous
You've no idea how long I keep my own vehicles, or works vehicles? So why assume, and build an agenda from it? Strange.
My budget changes (generally upward), and my requirements change, so my choices can change. The fact I can swap my main car after 18 months, with even a far less a hit than I was expecting just proves my calculations correct. My TCO was forecast to be twice as good as a comparable ICE car, and it ended up being even better than that. The car I'm moving to is in even more demand, and I expect that to be even more still when I come to sell it (compared to an equivalent ICE). Effectively I see it as not likely to depreciate as much, as a percentage as my current EV, and certainly a mile better than the ICE I was comparing to, or the ICE I could comparatively get now.
Newer isn't always better, but a 5/10 car from 1980 isn't going to be as good as a 5/10 car from 2000 or 2020. Car engines have got better, as have electric motors, TV's, computers etc, etc. You might have nostalgia for those, but I don't, I'd rather move with the times rather than be stuck in the past.
It's not creative accounting, it's just actual accounting. Maybe you tell your accountant, or boss that he shouldn't bother counting half of their expenditure this year? See how you get on.
Value is subjective, some people would assess what they can get for a particular amount, i.e they might compare two £50 pairs of shoes. You're comparing a £10 pair of shoes with a £50 pair and saying they're the same. They might be to you, to most others they're not. You didn't confirm if you bought £10 shoes, a £1 watch or eat 10p beans, why not? They're just the same as some £50 ones, a £500 watch, or Heinz, right?
Reality is different from you what you believe, and seemingly you have zero experience with.
You talk about advancements, like they are always for the worse, strange mindset. How old is your car, 10 years old? Did you not think that was better than the one made 20 years ago? Do you think you would have anything to buy if people just drove around in old cars?
Cars will always have faults, I've had loads preventing me from moving, from pretty much every manufacturer going, for practically every age of car.
SmallTown
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Or a passion for a subject? Interesting difference in mentalities here isn't there. You see something negative and I see something interesting. Points to our personalities I guess. Have you not considered an EV yourself?
Smogonthethames
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I guess business must be slow for you, as you seem to spend most of your time on here. Hope it picks up soon.
Andy_W
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Company is busier than ever thanks, growing profits year on yearI guess business must be slow for you, as you seem to spend most of your time on here. Hope it picks up soon.
Got far more work, than there are people and companies who can do the work. Effectively we can do less, for more money, but I WFH anyway, so prefer to work a longer, easier day, in phases. I try to work smarter, not harder nowadays.
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sweet_left_foot
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What I don't understand is why EV's are more expensive than those with a combustion engine. There's fewer parts, less engineering. Are the manufacturers just protecting their margins as they make less on servicing as the service intervals are greater due to the simple nature of the vehicles?
Someone is taking the wee wee out of us. The running maintenance costs of these things is lower so we are going to charge you more for them? It's like the ink-jet printer model in reverse. Makes me feel a bit of a mug. I still would prefer top buy an EV than a petrol car but well, y'know.
Someone is taking the wee wee out of us. The running maintenance costs of these things is lower so we are going to charge you more for them? It's like the ink-jet printer model in reverse. Makes me feel a bit of a mug. I still would prefer top buy an EV than a petrol car but well, y'know.
SmallTown
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They are only slightly more. As we have constantly repeated, so there isn't much in it. I think, with battery manufacturer etc, they are more expensive to build. Especially for most companies who aren't tooled up to build them yet and are converting ICE lines
Rofesleg
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Lots of mentions of charging overnight as a big benefit, but what about those of us who can't have a home charging point?
Also, if the battery does run out, is the car easy to start? e.g with an AA top-up or something. The equivalent of a jump start or 5 gallons of petrol I suppose.
Also, if the battery does run out, is the car easy to start? e.g with an AA top-up or something. The equivalent of a jump start or 5 gallons of petrol I suppose.
SmallTown
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We've motioned that too. On street charging will have to be introduced more heavily than it is at the moment. Its a pain if yiu can't charge from home but I had it for 4 months and it is easily doable.
You'd be amazed if anyone actually ran out, given how accurate a range meter is in an EV. And yes AA will come and charge you up enough to get to a charger.
sweet_left_foot
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They are about 10% more expensive but with 80% of the components. I drove a new Nissan Leaf today and was blown away by how capable it was for a utilitarian vehicle. Far more interesting than a petrol equivalent car not designed for driver engagement. That said the best part of 30 grand is a lot of money for a milk float.
Unless I buy one it Spain in which case it's about 10K less. Is there less demand in Spain? https://www.comparethemarket.com/car-insurance/content/global-ev-index/
Unless I buy one it Spain in which case it's about 10K less. Is there less demand in Spain? https://www.comparethemarket.com/car-insurance/content/global-ev-index/
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SmallTown
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No way they are 10% more expensive? Again it'll be the battery build out
JustTheGent
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You revealed that you've personally owned around or over 20 vehicles. Not sure how old you are, but regardless - this means you're regularly changing your car. That's way beyond the norm. It points to never been satisfied and/or wanting the latest model.
You've no idea how long I keep my own vehicles, or works vehicles? So why assume, and build an agenda from it? Strange.
But this has nothing to do with the subject we are discussing. People buying used will generally buy one from the last decade. They aren't buying something from the 80s or 90s. If you buy a brand new vehicle you aren't necessarily getting a better one. It might well be inferior in terms of reliability or build quality. Of course, there's a whole range of permutations. But thinking a new model of a vehicle is offering significant improvements that ends up benefiting the customer isn't correct
Once again, you struggle to grasp some pretty basic fundamentals. You can get very similar quality pairs of shoes that might be priced very different. This is due to branding and marketing. A £50 pair might be almost exactly the same as a £150 pair, produced in the same or similar factory to comparable standards. This happens with lots of things. You're trying to frame this as buying the lowest quality versus the best quality. But this EV discussion isn't about that. In any case, I reckon there will be many lower priced goods that can at least match their more expensive counterparts. That's just a basic life lesson that most begin to realise once they reach adulthood and start living in the real world. I don't eat beans, but if a lower cost product was just as good or close to something much more expensive, of course I'd go for it.Value is subjective, some people would assess what they can get for a particular amount, i.e they might compare two £50 pairs of shoes. You're comparing a £10 pair of shoes with a £50 pair and saying they're the same. They might be to you, to most others they're not. You didn't confirm if you bought £10 shoes, a £1 watch or eat 10p beans, why not? They're just the same as some £50 ones, a £500 watch, or Heinz, right?
This is a nothing statement. Everything has faults. It's a bit like saying every football team will win, lose and draw. Certain brands and types of vehicles have a much higher than average problem rate. Some much less than average. Knowing what is what is even more important if you're planning on keeping a vehicle for a lengthy period. In all cases, the more complexity and unproven technology involved, the greater potential of things going wrong.
SmallTown
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You’ve got to hand it to genty. He really puts a lot of effort into talking utter sh**e.
I admire the amount of work you’re putting in to hold on to ridiculous falsehoods. It’s actually hilarious to see the amount of verbal diarrhoea and work you’re putting into defend something when you know it’s a lie
I admire the amount of work you’re putting in to hold on to ridiculous falsehoods. It’s actually hilarious to see the amount of verbal diarrhoea and work you’re putting into defend something when you know it’s a lie
SmallTown
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NoSo in conclusion we would all rather stick to our petrols and diesels?
sweet_left_foot
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closer to 20% in the case of Mini's which are priced closest I've found. I compared a Cooper S with Exclusive (Level 3) trim to a Level 1 (of 3)electric and it was 4K less OTR. Performance wise it's closer to a 1.5 Cooper and that's 22K rather than the EV at 28K. Like I say, I want to go EV, the TCO is better and after 68K miles running them off CO2 derived dirty electric they become greener. Better for pollution at point of use and quiet and no vibrations and all of that.
But it's still a con that the OTR price is so high because of scaling up Lithium battery production. I'm not buying it. I'll wait until commoditisation kicks in and they get a decent range so I'll only have to charge it once a month and if I need to drive a 300 mile round trip I can and I can choose to stop to refuel or not.
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If anyone is considering changing, this site is good for electric options available or coming soon https://ev-database.uk It gives 'real-world' figures rather than the manufacturer's, for ease of comparison. Like to look of 600 mile range on the tesla roadster. that shouldn't take long to trickle down to mainstream and trash the resale value of the this generation of EV's. Range anxiety is probably residuals anxiety.
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JustTheGent
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That's the best option at the moment. But let's not forget, it's a bad time to purchase at the moment as prices are still rising. For people who want to pay a chunk of money each month, EVs are an option. Just be aware that these deals are generally very expensive and you're undertaking a long term liability and will have to keep repeating that to stay on the road.So in conclusion we would all rather stick to our petrols and diesels?
SmallTown
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Ignore genty @Tom_Boro , he's being an imbecile.
Yes if you are looking to change your car right now you should seriously consider an EV. They are far cheaper to run and of course will soon be the only option anyway. It doesn't make sense to be a technology that is currently being phased out.
Jonny Ingbar
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Ha ha, you're desperate to sell the EV option aren't you!
I think it's a fairer suggestion to say that there are pros and cons with EV and it depends on what your priorities are.