So gut feeling - which strikers will we get?

indeedido said:
Of course they will and we would in their position.
They may well get over £20m for him if a PL club bid.
But if not they have no chance of getting that.
They are a club who are financially fragile, far from strong. A strong bid would shake their resolve, but that is timing dependent. We just don’t know who else if anybody really really wants him.
Sign Riis now, get Goykeres late and accept that we have to wait for our loan from the Prem til the death too.
All opinions but I really do think we can get him.
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I would love to sign him I really would but for some reason I am not confident on it. As you say, it would be nice for the club to shock them a bit and make a bid and test their resolve. It’s going to be interesting too how it plays out. I would be happy with Gyokores and Forss permanently and Muniz on loan. Would be ideal, really.
 
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Diego said:
I would love to sign him I really would but for some reason I am not confident on it. As you say, it would be nice for the club to shock them a bit and make a bid and test their resolve. It’s going to be interesting too how it pays out. I would be happy with Gyokores and Forss permanently and Muniz on loan. Would be ideal, really.
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I could certainly live with that😀
 
A friend of mine is an AFC Wimbledon season ticket holder. He contacted me last week to say he'd heard Boro were in for Forss and that he hoped we'd do it because he was a "proper goalscorer". I must admit, I hadn't heard of him until a couple of weeks ago, so I looked up his stats. 11 goals in 19 for Wimbledon until he got injured. That, plus Brentford's record in spotting talent makes me hope this deal comes off. I'd love to get Gyokeres because, having seen a lot of him last season, he looks like the real deal to me. But that's why we probably won't get him - he'll be too expensive and will go to a lower Premier League club. Probably Fulham, which may liberate Muniz.
I should really have learned my lesson after all these years. I genuinely thought we'd push on in January after getting Balogun and Connolly, and that we would definitely make the playoffs. As we all now know, they made us worse. I also remember getting excited about Muniz the summer before, even though I'd never heard of him, never mind seen him.
Any combination of Muniz, Forss and Armstrong would be an improvement.
The power of Blind Faith for the life long supporter!
 
A friend of mine is an AFC Wimbledon season ticket holder. He contacted me last week to say he'd heard Boro were in for Forss and that he hoped we'd do it because he was a "proper goalscorer". I must admit, I hadn't heard of him until a couple of weeks ago, so I looked up his stats. 11 goals in 19 for Wimbledon until he got injured. That, plus Brentford's record in spotting talent makes me hope this deal comes off. I'd love to get Gyokeres because, having seen a lot of him last season, he looks like the real deal to me. But that's why we probably won't get him - he'll be too expensive and will go to a lower Premier League club. Probably Fulham, which may liberate Muniz.
I should really have learned my lesson after all these years. I genuinely thought we'd push on in January after getting Balogun and Connolly, and that we would definitely make the playoffs. As we all now know, they made us worse. I also remember getting excited about Muniz the summer before, even though I'd never heard of him, never mind seen him.
Any combination of Muniz, Forss and Armstrong would be an improvement. Gyokeres would be the cherry on the cake.
The power of Blind Faith for the life long supporter!
 
Spikelangelo said:
A friend of mine is an AFC Wimbledon season ticket holder. He contacted me last week to say he'd heard Boro were in for Forss and that he hoped we'd do it because he was a "proper goalscorer".
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same witha friend who is a Brentford ST holder. Think Toney's lack of injuries have held Forss back and that he will kick on if he moves.
 
Realistically , if we need 3 strikers then I don’t think we should be looking for players in the English leagues unless below championship . They will be more expensive than we could afford for 3 goal scorers

Historically , paying a big fee for a striker has also shown us little return for what we spent. Rhodes and assombolonga were duds for the fee paid for them .

Loans I reckon or we should take a punt on a player from a European league . Some of our better signings up front have actually been loans or players picked up relatively cheap from Europe
 
Boroboyyo said:
Realistically , if we need 3 strikers then I don’t think we should be looking for players in the English leagues unless below championship . They will be more expensive than we could afford for 3 goal scorers

Historically , paying a big fee for a striker has also shown us little return for what we spent. Rhodes and assombolonga were duds for the fee paid for them .

Loans I reckon or we should take a punt on a player from a European league . Some of our better signings up front have actually been loans or players picked up relatively cheap from Europe
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I think we've learnt our lesson with this - Forss will be available for £5-8m in my opinion which isn't a lot in 2022 - Armstong and Muniz will both be loans, so will cost us £2m each (maybe).
 
Boroboyyo said:
Realistically , if we need 3 strikers then I don’t think we should be looking for players in the English leagues unless below championship . They will be more expensive than we could afford for 3 goal scorers

Historically , paying a big fee for a striker has also shown us little return for what we spent. Rhodes and assombolonga were duds for the fee paid for them .

Loans I reckon or we should take a punt on a player from a European league . Some of our better signings up front have actually been loans or players picked up relatively cheap from Europe
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Like Sporar last season?

We've had very little success with signing overseas players in recent times. Payero, Braithwaite, Stojanovic were all expensive mistakes. Not to mention players like Mokoudi and Mikel who will have both cost us a lot.

Someone said on another thread (or maybe earlier in this one), imagine if we'd have signed Sporar, Connolly and Balogun all on permanents last season? We'd be stuck with those players now, and all would be some of the biggest earners at the club. You could also say the same about Hugill.

Paying big fees for players should not be part of our model anymore, unless we've had them on loan or are extremely confident there'll be a resale, even if it doesn't work out. We couldn't give Britt, Fletcher or Gestede away. Fortunately I think we got our money back on Rhodes. Its a very fine line though and the risks have to be worth taking.
 
Ash88 said:
Most of those games he's being subbed on for 5-10 minutes at the end of a game, so it's a bad comparison. He's an impact sub.

When he's on the pitch, he scores. I think his record for Brentford was 1 goal every 120-140 minutes.
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No, it wasn't.
8 goals in 47 Championship appearances and 1204 mins. Goal every 151 minutes, but a daft statistic to extrapolate.
So too is goals per appearance when he has played so very little.

Overall in his career in the Championship he has 9 goals in 58 appearances and 1692 minutes. Goal every 188 minutes.

This lad has played so very few matches and minutes his goals coring record is not remotely clear yet. He would be a massive punt.
I don't think we want to be paying up to £8m for an impact sub when we don't currently have first choices.
He might be a very good player, none of us know in truth, but he is a gamble.

Josh Coburn is currently an impact sub. He has appeared in 22 matches, 517 minutes and has a goal every 103 minutes. I don't think he is ready to start matches for us, but don't get why there is confidence Forss is? And if he isn't then he's an expensive sub.
 
indeedido said:
No, it wasn't.
8 goals in 47 Championship appearances and 1204 mins. Goal every 151 minutes, but a daft statistic to extrapolate.
So too is goals per appearance when he has played so very little.

Overall in his career in the Championship he has 9 goals in 58 appearances and 1692 minutes. Goal every 188 minutes.

This lad has played so very few matches and minutes his goals coring record is not remotely clear yet. He would be a massive punt.
I don't think we want to be paying up to £8m for an impact sub when we don't currently have first choices.
He might be a very good player, none of us know in truth, but he is a gamble.

Josh Coburn is currently an impact sub. He has appeared in 22 matches, 517 minutes and has a goal every 103 minutes. I don't think he is ready to start matches for us, but don't get why there is confidence Forss is? And if he isn't then he's an expensive sub.
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Why isn't Forss ready to start matches for us? - Fitness isn't a problem because he was playing 90 minutes regularly for Wimbledon.

2 years ago, a 23 year old Gyokeres wasn't starting matches for Swansea/Coventry, he was being brought on as a sub just like Forss was...
If Coventry got promoted, Gyokeres might have found himself in a similar position and wouldn't have had the opportunity to have the season he had last year...
If Brentford didn't get promotion, they'd have probably lost Ivan Toney and Forss might have found himself starting...

I'm not comparing the two strikers abilities because that's pure speculation/opinion, but he's not a 19 year old straight from the youth team like Coburn is.

He's played enough championship minutes, he's played internationally, and he played a part in Brentford's promotion, where he scored 7 and made an assist across 39 matches.

Sporar scored 8 goals last season in 2380 minutes, Balogun scored 3 in 900... and I don't need to check Connolly's record. Forss is better than all three of those, and he's only 23.
 
Ash88 said:
Why isn't Forss ready to start matches for us? - Fitness isn't a problem because he was playing 90 minutes regularly for Wimbledon.

2 years ago, a 23 year old Gyokeres wasn't starting matches for Swansea/Coventry, he was being brought on as a sub just like Forss was...
If Coventry got promoted, Gyokeres might have found himself in a similar position and wouldn't have had the opportunity to have the season he had last year...
If Brentford didn't get promotion, they'd have probably lost Ivan Toney and Forss might have found himself starting...

I'm not comparing the two strikers abilities because that's pure speculation/opinion, but he's not a 19 year old straight from the youth team like Coburn is.

He's played enough championship minutes, he's played internationally, and he played a part in Brentford's promotion, where he scored 7 and made an assist across 39 matches.

Sporar scored 8 goals last season in 2380 minutes, Balogun scored 3 in 900... and I don't need to check Connolly's record. Forss is better than all three of those, and he's only 23.
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YOU describe him as an impact sub through the thread.
Correctly.
He may be able to start matches and he may be everything your opinion says he is. I hope so, as it seems clear we will sign him.
My points are:
1. It is your opinion.
2. There is considerable risk in paying up to £8m for this lad and there is considerable risk in starting him.
3. My opinion is that I would much rather pay more for an international who is the best striker currently in the Championship and has a full season of being extremely good on a number of fronts. We won't beat a PL club to him, but IMHO paying more for Gyokeres is less of a gamble than buying Forss.
One of these lads has done much more than the other.
And many of us have been watching just how good he is throughout last season.
 
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