BoroFur
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Not this again. Labour did well but were over 50 seats behind the Tories. No doubt a Tory could say if only 3,500 more people had voted for them they would have a had a working majority without the need for DUP assistance.
Keir Starmer - FoM now a red-line
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Labours right……
Just substitute in whatever phrase is your preference. Blairites, centrists, moderates, grown ups, red tories, funny tingers, etc etc, etc.
ForssAwakens
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Laughing
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Starmer has addressed how he will fill the truss/sunak black hole without raising taxes. Like that you mean?
BlindBoyGrunt
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What's wrong with this, are you saying that Labour walk indian file with no right or left? You say yourself that they encompass a wide range of views.Labours right……
ForssAwakens
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I just think Labour are currently left leaning, I think there’s some right wing stuff coming through but mainly overall you’d say Labour are left of centre
Muttley
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Irony?
Corbyn lost not just because of a few Labour MPs conspiring against him. He lost in 2019 with a campaign so disjointed and amateurish I (as a lifelong Labour voter) could see votes slipping through his fingers as he lurched from one PR mess to another. It was a dreadful campaign. Real hide behind the sofa stuff.
Laughing
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Corbyn had 2 elections and failed, he was also instrumental in the 2019 election happening. He would not have made a good PM whether you liked the majority of his policies or not
Eh? Hows that?
Oh I see. You're not saying he'll actually reduce poor peoples tax compared to right now, you're saying Sunak would increase them?
Laughing
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Parliament has to vote on the election. Labour supported it when the tories were getting no where with brexit.
After the SNP and Lib Dems had already confirmed they were voting for it. The election was coming irrespective.
Laughing
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Sunak already has. He has with a freeze on taxation levels for the foreseeable. More or folks dragged into tax brackets and paying more ni. Starmer has said no to that. Why am I bothering, I ask myself. Vote however you see fit but don't whinge if you get a tory government and end up with no holidays no sick pay no NHS and you starve. I'll be OK so that's something.
Laughing
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Oh what a load of cack labour votes for it they didn't have to and could have lobbied otherwise. They didn't and were part of the reason for the 2019 ge. Course that's not Corbyn fault is it.
Eh? Why make stuff up? It's a matter of public record. Takes 2 seconds for anyone to google it and verify the order things happened in.
Lib Dems and SNP offer Boris Johnson early Christmas present of 9 December election
The Liberal Democrats and the SNP are joining forces to offer Boris Johnson an early Christmas present of an election on 9 December.
www.politicshome.com
BlindBoyGrunt
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Corbyn's campaign was to respect the Brexit vote whilst rejecting a no deal Brexit. We actually had a vote to include a Customs Union in the withdrawal agreement. It lost by just three votes. Who voted against? Five Lib Dems and eleven of Chuka Umunna's Independent Group backstabbers voted it down. Imagine how easier life would have been had that vote gone through?
What really lost the red wall seats though, was Starmer going totally off script at the 2019 conference and, without the permission or even the knowledge of his bosses, announced that Labour was the party of the People's Vote. He should have been sacked for that, that was a mistake by Corbyn.
Chris_Boro
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Eh? Why make stuff up? It's a matter of public record. Takes 2 seconds for anyone to google it and verify the order things happened in.
Lib Dems and SNP offer Boris Johnson early Christmas present of 9 December election
The Liberal Democrats and the SNP are joining forces to offer Boris Johnson an early Christmas present of an election on 9 December.
This wasn't the order of things.
Before that a coalition was proposed to avoid the need for a General Election, this potential coalition however had the demand that a strong remain candidate be installed as the leader of said coalition and would become temporary PM until Brexit was negotiated.
Jeremy Corbyn refused this which lead to the above, forcing Labour into an election they we never going to win.
Well that's quite a separate thing happening isn't it? But okay sure.
The people trying to organise this coalition wanted Ken Clarke in charge. Can you imagine the media reaction?
Labour leader steps aside so one of Thatchers ministers can lead the Labour party, without an election, so he can overturn the result of a referendum. I mean I don't really need to explain why it wasn't a serious offer, surely?Chris_Boro
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Well that's quite a separate thing happening isn't it? But okay sure.
The people trying to organise this coalition wanted Ken Clarke in charge. Can you imagine the media reaction?
Dismiss it all you want, it still happened before what you linked and played a key role in the Lib Dems and SNP going for an Election in December.
