You think too much of the tories if you believe their low tax ideology extends down to everybody. We already are a very low tax country for the wealthiest people.
Keir Starmer - FoM now a red-line
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You think too much of the tories if you believe their low tax ideology extends down to everybody. We already are a very low tax country for the wealthiest people.
Well that's my point all the way through this thread. Yes Labour might win an election or two. But Starmers not going to change our direction of travel. Streetings already confirmed he'll carry on privatising the NHS. The process may slow down for 5 or 10 years but the tories will get back in as they always do and we'll drift further and further to the right.
how do you think workers rights are won in the first place? Altruism?Maybe you would Laughing but Corbyn was already getting hounded for "Stalinist purges" without having done anything about his detractors. The press would have had a field day.
BlindBoyGrunt
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Why was nobody else being asked that question by Andrew Neil? The Conservative Party had higher rates of AS than Labour and the Lib Dems similar. To respond to Neil's loaded question would be to concede defeat to the scam.
Unravel_Morrison
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Maybe but if you want to be Prime Minister you need to be able to answer difficult questions and yes I realise that since then PM's have avoided questions by avoiding the interviews themselves.
BlindBoyGrunt
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Loaded questions are different from dificult ones, but your second clause negates your first one anyway.
Unravel_Morrison
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It doesn't really unless you want to take political judgement out of politics.
Wiseman_Vaughn
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I agree. What’s the alternative then? There isn’t one.
jam69
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You a socialist bumface? You certainly don't come across as one
Yep, agree. It's not a hollywood movie. No last second great idea we can pull out. Sadly we're stuffed.
MolteniArcore
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I agree the country is on it's harris but I tend to think the worse it gets the more people will want a change of leadership so will give Labour a big majority. I don't think we'll see voter apathy and swathes stay at home.
I can't see any scenario that would make me think Sunak can pull the gap back to prevent a Labour government.
BlindBoyGrunt
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Of course it does:-
1. "... if you want to be Prime Minister you need to be able to answer difficult questions"
2. "since then PM's have avoided questions by avoiding the interviews themselves."
That question from Andrew Neil was not a political question, it was a loaded question akin to 'have you stopped beating your wife yet?'
Why should he answer that?
Why should Corbyn be subject to different treatment from other party leaders?
Boris Johnson is a known racist. He has made racist remarks; he has written racist passages in his books. His party had a higher rate of anti-Semitism than Corbyn's party, but did you ever hear Andrew Neal ask such questions of Johnson? No.
Corbyn has probably given more straight answers than the last 5 PM's put together because since 2010 they've hardly given a straight answer to a difficult question between them.
I would wager that if you put Corbyn on the spot with a question about Trans rights, LGBT rights, Trade Unions, religion or Arsenal Football Club he would be able to sit and talk for half an hour, displaying knowledge of his subject. Starmer and Sunak would need a focus group to tell them what to say.
HolgateCorner
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No we are not because the public react to it. The threat of a Labour government pulls the political agenda to the left, nobody should ever underplay the importance of the Labour movement in keeping this country civilised for working people even when out of power.
The Tories hate the nhs, hate any taxation, hate any public spending, they only do it because they think they have to to get into power,
But Sunak and co are finished now, there should be a good period ahead for Labour to repair some of the damage caused by the Tories.
BlindBoyGrunt
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That was then, this is now, and the Labour party is not ruling out further outsourcing of the NHS. Keir Starmer hasn't got a socialist bone in his body, as as witnessed by his interference with the selection process in so many Labour seats (something he pledged he'd never do). He's an establishment man and the establishment are quite comfortable having him there.
BoroFur
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I've asked plenty of times but nobody has ever defined what or who the establishment is but I suppose it's a good soundbite.
Do they meet every Wednesday at the Community Centre?
BlindBoyGrunt
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From Collins Dictionary: "a group or class of people having institutional authority within a society, esp those who control the civil service, the government, the armed forces, and the Church: usually identified with a conservative outlook.
From Wiki: The Establishment is a term used to describe a dominant group or elite that controls a polity or an organization. It may comprise a closed social group that selects its own members, or entrenched elite structures in specific institutions. One can refer to any relatively small class or group of people who can exercise control.
BoroFur already knows all of that. He's just being a silly Billy again.
viv_andersons_nana
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Surprised Starmer has any ‘red lines’ TBH, considering the lies he’s told over the past 3 or 4 years.
Am I going to vote for a bloke who seems to be basing a campaign on ‘out-flanking’ the right of Tory party? Probably not, no. Two liars are still both liars.
Why would I trust Keir Starmer. He’s lied to my face for years and I’ve been paying monthly subs for the privilege.
To my mind, he’s not really any different is he. I don’t believe anything he says. And neither does he.
Am I going to vote for a bloke who seems to be basing a campaign on ‘out-flanking’ the right of Tory party? Probably not, no. Two liars are still both liars.
Why would I trust Keir Starmer. He’s lied to my face for years and I’ve been paying monthly subs for the privilege.
To my mind, he’s not really any different is he. I don’t believe anything he says. And neither does he.