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Lemmy My support for Labour runs along a line of John Smith, Tony Blair, David Milliband, Keir Starmer.. they are the Labour that I respect and think put the country first. Obviously problems especially with Blair but they all knew they had to modernise Labour, focus on the electorate to...

Roofie, the thread wasnt about whether NI is regressive, its whether NI was chosen as it protects pensioners versus income Tax. Pensioners would be hit to a much greater extent if they had used Income tax, Thats the point, neither of us sit in that cabinet but my guess is that was a primary...

First up very happy to be in this hole :) if thats where I am Think there were good things about Corbyn for example I think people had got sick of austerity, and things like the impact on the disabled is really horrible. Tory government was beyond redemption for that and aware this isnt popular...

Could you not just give it a go to debate some points Even if you think I am not 100% pure Labour, you could at least try and convince me, genuinely would be interested Wouldnt this site be to have a really good debate

Jam - think it was about Xmas that signed up to the website (perhaps March when access was allowed). Posted a few times but generally just like to look especially on footy or posts like Erimus bikes rides :) . Like the website for many reasons but gives me an attachment to home. I am not a...

18 years old joined the Labour club at St Andrews University , never once or considered voting Tory, though voted Lib Dem as many times as Labour. At St Andrews there werent many working class kids from the North East and there were 7 of us in the Labour club but hey I wasnt doing it to make...

I like this website for it's social conscience, with a general left leaning bent that pervades this website but so many people will just randomly slam any government policy regardless of what it is and also seem to have a blind eye to social justice if it any way impacts them. Time and again...

John, on final point different countries have different ways/ cultures in relation to retirement incomes. One country could have a lot wealthier pensioners even with lower state pensions for example if like the UK there is a culture of people paying into a private sector pension like a clear...

Jack there are so many things that go wrong when high inflation. There is so much complexity in managing the economy, many different types of lags that exist between enacting a policy and when it happens. Timing of huge tax increases to manage hyper inflation would be next to impossible...

Simple stat - when you look at top 20% of wealthy people by income. That level is also the level of top 20% of pensioners I believe or thereabouts. Now is 20% rich, well its obviously subjective but there are a lot of older people who are quite well off. Do they need the covid spike for their...

Why bring in MP's? I dont think they should have had any significant pay rise but thats a completely different discussion and the money involved in that is just a drop in the ocean.

Many pensioners are very poor, yes absolutely and soceity should protect them better but many many are very affluent - do I think its right that millionaires who winter in Spain or South Africa should get this ... no I dont

Happy to agree on the last bit :) Did the baby boomer generation have it tough... not so sure

Dont think anyone thinks all pensioners are rich, but many are rich (compared to other parts of soceity) and in my opinion should not get even more at the expense of the less fortunate

Jack - very few well known economists believe in that theory. Few people on the fringes, its believed that creates huge inflation (which screws economy) and that one shot at financial survival is to to jack up tax rates massively to try to calm hyper inflation. Its a cop out theory for people...

Lets say you are 20- 30 years old and reading that .......... older people than them have created a debt mountain thru numerous governments and including this pandemic. We havent created wealth we have created debt that must be paid off sometime and by their generation. Then the kicker -...

Now conventional mainstream thinking goes - if you are going to print trillions of £'s, per your suggestion and courtesy of BoE then we are looking at hyperinflation and the subsequent economic meltdown. You are then going to say - no that wont happen because when prices start to escalate you...

Respect to you Corcaigh Think it would be great to have these long term issues impacting soceity to be taken out of the hands of politicians who only care about the next 5 years. Education/ Pensions somehow should be decided by some sort of cross bench group to ensure we have fair long term...

Boromart - having a conversation on a forum like this would be a lot more fun/ informative if instead of just rolling out stock phrases like Neo- liberalism or ultra capitalism you actually made a point and backed it up with facts to have a discussion. Its a bit like one of those blokes in a...

I wouldn't normally say this (aware it sounds pretentious) but I teach Economics at post graduate level (or have done) and that is a weird and wonderful couple of sentances. You have no idea of the scale of economic disaster your last point would create.