£40 a year for garden waste collections

But for end users it's miles better - there are limited slots so it's never busy and usage is spread out throughout the day.

Gone are the days of me sitting in a queue for half an hour as everyone gets the same idea, yet you can usually book a slot within 30 mins if you want to go last minute and they let you go 15-20 mins early.
Do you live in Stockton, because last time I tried to book an appointment I couldn't book one for the same day via the MBC website?

Personally I don't find it an improvement. It's massively inconvenient for me, but I don't ever remember any issues with queues either.
 
Do you live in Stockton, because last time I tried to book an appointment I couldn't book one for the same day via the MBC website?

Personally I don't find it an improvement. It's massively inconvenient for me, but I don't ever remember any issues with queues either.
I use it regularly without a problem. It's so easy to use via the Stockton council website. There's slots throughout the day and they don't over book so you can get parked easily enough. The staff are very helpful too.

As an aside we've been getting quotes for waste disposal on a slightly bigger scale at our football club recently, the council rates were the best and their service has proven to be excellent.
 
I agree adult and children's health and social care get the most spent on them, however it makes up 49% of the expenditure where I am. Just out of interest where do you get the 85% from?
Figures recently released for Middlesbrough.

Deprived areas with cheap housing appear to be used as a means of relocating problems.
 
Do you live in Stockton, because last time I tried to book an appointment I couldn't book one for the same day via the MBC website?

Personally I don't find it an improvement. It's massively inconvenient for me, but I don't ever remember any issues with queues either.
I've just been on the website, at least 28 slots available for 3pm. Easy.
 
Do you live in Stockton, because last time I tried to book an appointment I couldn't book one for the same day via the MBC website?

Personally I don't find it an improvement. It's massively inconvenient for me, but I don't ever remember any issues with queues either.

You surely cant use it that often? We are regular users and I hated going to the tip any day when it was remotely good weather or a bank holiday or a weekend because the queue to get into the tip would regualrly be as far back as shown in pink here

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Since covid we've never struggled to book a slot. I've just checked and the MBC system has slots free for the rest of the day so I could book now and set off immediately

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Generally you know when you are going to be going to the tip so you can book in advance, but there is almost always availability and progressing throgh the booking system takes about two and a half minutes as I've just done it using my dads address in boro and didn't even have to make an account.

seems the most logical way to do it than everyone just rocking up and idling while waiting.
 
You surely cant use it that often? We are regular users and I hated going to the tip any day when it was remotely good weather or a bank holiday or a weekend because the queue to get into the tip would regualrly be as far back as shown in pink here



Since covid we've never struggled to book a slot. I've just checked and the MBC system has slots free for the rest of the day so I could book now and set off immediately


Generally you know when you are going to be going to the tip so you can book in advance, but there is almost always availability and progressing throgh the booking system takes about two and a half minutes as I've just done it using my dads address in boro and didn't even have to make an account.

seems the most logical way to do it than everyone just rocking up and idling while waiting.
I've been about 10 times, and never had any bother getting a slot, there's always been loads, and that's booking on the day. Never tried a Sunday or BH mind, which would no doubt be busier.

The tip is one of the best run things I've seen in this area, says a lot :LOL:
 
I live in an area with a Green waste collection service. It used to be free but there was a one-off cost to buy the bin. Now it's an annual charge. I just use the regular waste bin.

The thing I really begrudge about it is that I am on a new build estate where house prices always seem to fall in to the category for the highest council tax fees so I'm already paying a lot. They then have the cheek to not adopt our area which means we have to pay an estate management fee on top of council tax so another fee to collect waste seems excessive.
You must be on Wynyard. It's a P take, The councils have adopted nothing yet and we pay for what they aren't providing.
 
I've been about 10 times, and never had any bother getting a slot, there's always been loads, and that's booking on the day. Never tried a Sunday or BH mind, which would no doubt be busier.

The tip is one of the best run things I've seen in this area, says a lot :LOL:
If only half of the people in the local area with green waste decide to take it to Dunsdale tip then it would be overwhelmed methinks.
What if you don't have a garden?
Eh? If you don't produce garden waste then you don't pay anything.
 
You must be on Wynyard. It's a P take, The councils have adopted nothing yet and we pay for what they aren't providing.
No. I'm on the opposite side of the country. It's happening everywhere. Councils sell off land, give permission to develop on it, take the increase in council tax but don't increase public services or infrastructure to meet the increased demand and then make the people that buy those houses pay for the services privately.
 
No. I'm on the opposite side of the country. It's happening everywhere. Councils sell off land, give permission to develop on it, take the increase in council tax but don't increase public services or infrastructure to meet the increased demand and then make the people that buy those houses pay for the services privately.
14 years of Tories pal
 
I think I remember the “good old days “ when good spirited councillors used to do the job for expenses just to cover their costs.
Nowadays the last time I looked we had people on the council who regard their elected position as a job which paid more than the average wage.
Oh I do love posts like this.

Middlesbrough council allowances are just £7,600, some get extra because the work load is so big.
An example is I get extra, I think about 5/6k a year, after deductions, I receive about £850 a month.

I work for PD Ports and have gone part time, I spend 2 days a week going to committees and other council duties. I lose more per month than I get paid from the council in allowances, quite a bit more!

And guess what, even councillors pay council tax, we have mortgages, electric, gas and we eat food now and then. And no, no councillor claims for any expenses, simply because the council can't afford it, we also agreed not to increase our allowances last year, even though the independent pay review suggested we should have a huge rise.
 
You must be on Wynyard. It's a P take, The councils have adopted nothing yet and we pay for what they aren't providing.
Councils don’t just adopt areas out of the goodness of their hearts. The developer has to pay a (significant) sum of money to the council before they will agree to adopt it.

Obviously, that comes out of their profits (although technically should have been included in the house price). If you live on an estate that hasn’t been adopted, then it’s your developer who you should be mad at, not the council.
 
Councils don’t just adopt areas out of the goodness of their hearts. The developer has to pay a (significant) sum of money to the council before they will agree to adopt it.

Obviously, that comes out of their profits (although technically should have been included in the house price). If you live on an estate that hasn’t been adopted, then it’s your developer who you should be mad at, not the council.
Councils adopt areas to make money off them, which helps fund other areas of deficit. Basically, adopt the road get the house next to it etc.

I didn't think the developers had to pay the council anything, but had heard of them having to pay for schools and parks etc. I had never heard of other payments to the councils, to get things adopted, mentioned any time we've worked on a housing development, but we deal more with the services side, mainly drainage and electric. I do think this happens mind but don't think anyone really talks about it, it's kept on the hush hush, the only thing which seems to be kept quiet. I did hear these figures were going to need to be made public though, but not sure if that's happened yet.

Those payments will get included in the house price cost though, it would just be counted like all other costs, and the developer puts on 20% or whatever, and works out their house prices from that, and if it's not enough they don't do it. If house prices are dropping, the developer doesn't develop, or slows up, if house prices go up, the developer makes more and rushes to get them complete.

Developers do have to pay a lot for the roads and sewers, to get them up to adoptable standard (which get adopted by council and water companies separate), but then this seems to be trat like they just get handed over for nothing basically, as the developers have zero interest in maintaining them, and want rid of the liability ASAP. The councils and water companies adopt them as they can make more money off them etc. The councils have zero interest in roads though, but they basically adopt them to get the houses, and the council tax of course.

As for things not getting adopted or roads taking ages to be finished, this is because developers won't finish the roads (or ask for adoption) until all the drainage and other services are adopted (so they know the road won't likely be dug up again, and they have to red-do the lot), and the road is not still used for construction through traffic. On major housing sites this can be a big problem if you're on the through road, an early "finished" house, out of a major development which will take years.

I think sometimes the developers have to pay a bond too, whilst they're building, so in case they go bust, there's some money left to finish the roads off. I think where I live the developer had to pay for the local road outside it to get resurfaced too, as part of the deal to get planning, which it's been a year (since all houses completed and all internal roads finished off) and not happened yet. There is a major gas main being laid though (unrelated to the housing), so they may have been waiting for that, which makes sense as the road outside has been wrecked.

Seems a bit dodgy charging top whack council tax, when the local road isn't adopted but it's also paying for other minor roads nearby. The main A-Roads and Motorways are ran nationally through DOT/DFT, so council tax isn't linked to those.
 
Councils adopt areas to make money off them, which helps fund other areas of deficit. Basically, adopt the road get the house next to it etc.

I didn't think the developers had to pay the council anything, but had heard of them having to pay for schools and parks etc. I had never heard of other payments to the councils, to get things adopted, mentioned any time we've worked on a housing development, but we deal more with the services side, mainly drainage and electric. I do think this happens mind but don't think anyone really talks about it, it's kept on the hush hush, the only thing which seems to be kept quiet. I did hear these figures were going to need to be made public though, but not sure if that's happened yet.

Those payments will get included in the house price cost though, it would just be counted like all other costs, and the developer puts on 20% or whatever, and works out their house prices from that, and if it's not enough they don't do it. If house prices are dropping, the developer doesn't develop, or slows up, if house prices go up, the developer makes more and rushes to get them complete.

Developers do have to pay a lot for the roads and sewers, to get them up to adoptable standard (which get adopted by council and water companies separate), but then this seems to be trat like they just get handed over for nothing basically, as the developers have zero interest in maintaining them, and want rid of the liability ASAP. The councils and water companies adopt them as they can make more money off them etc. The councils have zero interest in roads though, but they basically adopt them to get the houses, and the council tax of course.

As for things not getting adopted or roads taking ages to be finished, this is because developers won't finish the roads (or ask for adoption) until all the drainage and other services are adopted (so they know the road won't likely be dug up again, and they have to red-do the lot), and the road is not still used for construction through traffic. On major housing sites this can be a big problem if you're on the through road, an early "finished" house, out of a major development which will take years.

I think sometimes the developers have to pay a bond too, whilst they're building, so in case they go bust, there's some money left to finish the roads off. I think where I live the developer had to pay for the local road outside it to get resurfaced too, as part of the deal to get planning, which it's been a year (since all houses completed and all internal roads finished off) and not happened yet. There is a major gas main being laid though (unrelated to the housing), so they may have been waiting for that, which makes sense as the road outside has been wrecked.

Seems a bit dodgy charging top whack council tax, when the local road isn't adopted but it's also paying for other minor roads nearby. The main A-Roads and Motorways are ran nationally through DOT/DFT, so council tax isn't linked to those.
See page 3 of link below for an explanation of adoption of open space. SBC requires a commuted sum equivalent to 25 years' worth of maintenance costs. This is why some developers chose to go down the management company route.


You're pretty much right on the adoption of roads/highways. I wouldn't say that councils adopt them to make money though. The houses will get built anyway, otherwise the developer can't make a profit.

Adopting a road means accepting liability for the ongoing maintenance costs. However, provided the developer has constructed the roads to an acceptable standard and in accordance with an agreed scheme, then the council is legally obliged to adopt them.
 
See page 3 of link below for an explanation of adoption of open space. SBC requires a commuted sum equivalent to 25 years' worth of maintenance costs. This is why some developers chose to go down the management company route.


You're pretty much right on the adoption of roads/highways. I wouldn't say that councils adopt them to make money though. The houses will get built anyway, otherwise the developer can't make a profit.

Adopting a road means accepting liability for the ongoing maintenance costs. However, provided the developer has constructed the roads to an acceptable standard and in accordance with an agreed scheme, then the council is legally obliged to adopt them.
Thanks for that, didn't know about the 25 year thing.

I'm in Stockton, and our new build has a management company section, and ~30 of us are being charged £250 a year to "look after" about 10m x 3m of grass, it's ludicrous. It's like 8k per year, and the daft thing is in two years the area has never even been touched, we're sure the management company have never even seen it. The bloke who lives near it ends up cutting it every few weeks in summer as it looks a mess otherwise, and there's also a big delve in in where someone drove over it early in the builds.

If it's 8k per year to look after that, and that's cheaper than the council option, then I dread to thing what looking after something more difficult would cost, and a much larger area.
 
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