7,000 Wrexham Fans at Ewood Park

[Corcaigh_the_Cat]

I don't know, but that specific spend on a matchday is just a part of the bigger picture.

But if you want to put a figure on it I suppose I could put my finger in the air with 2000 fans x 19 games x £50 = £1.9m.
But as Rob said, I doubt all the money they spend going away would be spent locally instead.

I just thought Brighton would be a good one to look at as they have basically come from a standing start 10 years ago to where they are now with their new stadium, 20 thousand extra fans and higher profile.

I'm not disagreeing with money coming in but balance it against money going out.

If local people are spending in a different location they're not spending it here. We take far more away than most bring to Teesside so I'm guessing it's a net loss.

Any figures?

 

[Corcaigh_the_Cat]

Or maybe those fans would have invested that money on Amazon or on Netflix or on many other non local platforms while they are staycationing it instead of travelling away.

Balanced out by those watching the games in local pubs perhaps, and putting money into the local economy?

 

[Rofesleg]

I'm not disagreeing with money coming in but balance it against money going out.

If local people are spending in a different location they're not spending it here. We take far more away than most bring to Teesside so I'm guessing it's a net loss.

Any figures?

I've just scientifically proven (under laboratory conditions) that it is £2.3m per year. In the Prem it would be £1.9m
Which when you take away alternative spending on Netflix, Sky upgrades, MFC Live, Amazon impulse buys, online gambling and other non-local expenditure, it results in a net gain of 27p.

You seem keen to insist that a successful team offers no benefit to the local economy. Where are your figures to back that up?
I don't think it is just a case on how much they spend or don't spend on matchdays. Though that is obviously part of it.

There are also reports which show the economic benefit to whole countries that a successful sporting infrastructure can bring on a macro scale.
Not that I've read them, but they exist.

 

[Norman_Conquest]

Football as a fashion visits different areas at different times. Wrexham and Notts County are getting it at the moment through success, similar for Chesterfield. A few mid table years and it will return to normal.

Same here, while we're seen to be competing and playing attractive football the crowds are up. If getting close but without success becomes the norm we'll drop off again.

I'm not sure about galvanising the area in any of the cases. A minority of the population follow football. Fans will argue against my view no doubt.

I agree with you that clubs have their moments and the fans turn out when their team is riding high and they drop off when the team is not performing well.

What I would add to that is outside influences can impact and galvanise a club, similar to Derby nearly going bust the attendance increased to spur their team on to survival, and similar to Everton and their points deduction. It becomes an us and them siege mentality.

Edit: I don't mean Everton's attendance increased but the points deduction certainly galvanised the fans in their protest against the deduction and they stood as one showing red cards to the PL.

 

[Corcaigh_the_Cat]

I've just scientifically proven (under laboratory conditions) that it is £2.3m per year. In the Prem it would be £1.9m
Which when you take away alternative spending on Netflix, Sky upgrades, MFC Live, Amazon impulse buys, online gambling and other non-local expenditure, it results in a net gain of 27p.

You seem keen to insist that a successful team offers no benefit to the local economy. Where are your figures to back that up?
I don't think it is just a case on how much they spend or don't spend on matchdays. Though that is obviously part of it.

There are also reports which show the economic benefit to whole countries that a successful sporting infrastructure can bring on a macro scale.
Not that I've read them, but they exist.

Define 'successful sporting infrastructure'.

Actually, having looked at average away followings I may have been a bit hasty. I thought we were far higher up the away attendance table than what I've just read, though the figures were only up to November, and provided by a magazine

At 2,000 away fans, our average could be beyond that now, the amount removed from our local economy for an away game is exactly the same as the figure brought in using your figures.

I'll throw in a 20% extra for fans travelling but not from these parts. Our net gain is £380,000 for the season minus costs for police etc.

Winner, winner. Chicken dinner.

 

[Norman_Conquest]

I agree with you that clubs have their moments and the fans turn out when their team is riding high and they drop off when the team is not performing well.

What I would add to that is outside influences can impact and galvanise a club, similar to Derby nearly going bust the attendance increased to spur their team on to survival, and similar to Everton and their points deduction. It becomes an us and them siege mentality.

Edit: I don't mean Everton's attendance increased but the points deduction certainly galvanised the fans in their protest against the deduction and they stood as one showing red cards to the PL.

The other thing I would add, I wonder how many of those Wrexham fans would attend if it was a local businessman pumping money into the club and not the Hollywood A-list actors and the slim chance of being on Netflix.

 

[Rofesleg]

Define 'successful sporting infrastructure'.

One that's dead good

 

[fmttmadmin]

Balanced out by those watching the games in local pubs perhaps, and putting money into the local economy?

Have you read Catch 22?

 

[Redwurzel]

I think Wrexham's success has lifted a depressed area. Like most Welsh teams they can also get big travelling support for key games, maybe its a sort of invading England thing.

Wrexham is not a big place, but there is little competition in North Wales itself for fans, except for the big clubs in England.

I think the new owners have created a lot of excitement too and given the fans a realistic goal of Championship football. They have put their own money in and recruited some Division 1 players.