Aj does a fury

Whilst I agree to a point and would have liked him to face a Zhang or someone at that level, AJ has beat most of the contenders already (Wilder apart) this is a keep busy/money grab fight whilst he waits for Fury Usyk to play out.
More likely a keep busy fight until he can fight for the vacant IBF. Fury/Usyk is apparently a 2 fight contract so that's them out of the picture for AJ in 2024. The IBF will order the winner to vacate if they take rematch.

Hrgovic will be fighting someone for the vacant title at the back end of this year. AJ is in pole position for that fight providing he doesn't make a hash of it.
 
Honestly you couldn’t make up the mental gymnastics people justifying this fight for aj

An exhibition fight is an exhibition fight. Call it out for what it is.

Be consistent
It is an exhibition fight. Of course it is.

You can't call for people to be consistent though. It's a totally different scenario to when Fury fought him. Surely you can see that,
 
It is an exhibition fight. Of course it is.

You can't call for people to be consistent though. It's a totally different scenario to when Fury fought him. Surely you can see that,
I don’t, I don’t agree serious professional boxers should be taking exhibitions fights. It’s ruining the sport
 
More likely a keep busy fight until he can fight for the vacant IBF. Fury/Usyk is apparently a 2 fight contract so that's them out of the picture for AJ in 2024. The IBF will order the winner to vacate if they take rematch.

Hrgovic will be fighting someone for the vacant title at the back end of this year. AJ is in pole position for that fight providing he doesn't make a hash of it.
Hrgovic would be a good fight, he is limited but definitely fringe world level and would provide a test for any top HW.
 
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1. Fury was a World Champion, AJ isn't. Fury had defended his title twice since winning it 2 years prior and was taking a fight that wasn't a sanctioned defence.

2. AJ has fought 3 credible opponents in the last 12 months and has kept active. Fury hadn't

3. There was an undisputed fight available for Fury which he did not make and chose the Ngannou fight instead. There's no World Title available for AJ.

4. Ngannou was a total unknown in the sport of boxing when Fury took it. Now he's proven himself to have given the world champion problems (some people believe he won), he is therefore a more credible opponent.
 
Wilder has won 3 of his last 7 fights.
I'd look at his last 8 fights because that then includes both the Ortiz fights, fights he was well behind on the cards, but old man Ortiz just ran out of energy and got caught. If Ortiz had fought 3 years earlier he'd have blown Wilder away.

So wilder has got out of jail twice, a dodgy draw once, bean beaten up 3 times, and has lived up to his own hype just twice in 8 fights. He'll always have that one dangerous punch, but he's pretty much a busted flush at the elite level.
 
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1. Fury was a World Champion, AJ isn't. Fury had defended his title twice since winning it 2 years prior and was taking a fight that wasn't a sanctioned defence.

2. AJ has fought 3 credible opponents in the last 12 months and has kept active. Fury hadn't

3. There was an undisputed fight available for Fury which he did not make and chose the Ngannou fight instead. There's no World Title available for AJ.

4. Ngannou was a total unknown in the sport of boxing when Fury took it. Now he's proven himself to have given the world champion problems (some people believe he won), he is therefore a more credible opponent.
Mental gymnastics
 
Mental gymnastics
Whatever pal.

What could AJ take right now that would further his career?

He's beaten Parker
It's pointless fighting Hrgovic now when he can fight him in a few months for a World Title.
The Wilder fight is dead

I'm disappointed with Ngannou v Joshua as well but it's a totally different situation to the one Fury was in. There's not a lot else out there for Joshua.
 
Whatever pal.

What could AJ take right now that would further his career?

He's beaten Parker
It's pointless fighting Hrgovic now when he can fight him in a few months for a World Title.
The Wilder fight is dead

I'm disappointed with Ngannou v Joshua as well but it's a totally different situation to the one Fury was in. There's not a lot else out there for Joshua.
Just shows what a sorry state the division is in though, when fighters who were once considered to be 'exciting' have literally nothing on the table except fighting people from other sports at the circus in the Middle East. He's effectively in semi-retirement.
 
1. Fury was a World Champion, AJ isn't. Fury had defended his title twice since winning it 2 years prior and was taking a fight that wasn't a sanctioned defence.

2. AJ has fought 3 credible opponents in the last 12 months and has kept active. Fury hadn't

3. There was an undisputed fight available for Fury which he did not make and chose the Ngannou fight instead. There's no World Title available for AJ.

4. Ngannou was a total unknown in the sport of boxing when Fury took it. Now he's proven himself to have given the world champion problems (some people believe he won), he is therefore a more credible opponent.
All absolutely true, I think this Ngannou fight is a bit of a money grab and a bit of AJ wanting to rub it in Fury's face that he took care of Ngannou and saved the face of boxing when some virgin came in and gave the champ a bit of a slap.
 
Just shows what a sorry state the division is in though, when fighters who were once considered to be 'exciting' have literally nothing on the table except fighting people from other sports at the circus in the Middle East. He's effectively in semi-retirement.
It's awkward for Joshua at the moment and similar for Hrgovic. They are finding themselves in the same position as what Whyte found himself in a couple of years ago. They have all gotten themselves into positions for title fights so they don't want to take any risks. The rematch clauses and inactivity of Fury are the two main reasons the division is dead. There's plenty of talent there. Probably more than there has been for a long time.

Joshua v Zhang is potentially a good fight but it makes no sense at all for Joshua to take it. Zhang is behind him in the rankings and he's potential banana skin. If he loses that he's lost his shot at a world title shot later in the year. I mean he could have just take 8 or 9 months off and waited out the Fury v Usyk fight. He only fought 3 weeks ago. But he's made a point of wanting to stay busy and aim for 2-3 fights per year instead of one.
 
Joshua v Zhang is potentially a good fight but it makes no sense at all for Joshua to take it. Zhang is behind him in the rankings and he's potential banana skin.
In other sports you have to just face the music though. Boxing is just becoming harder and harder to make sense of. No one wants to take a fight unless they think they're 100% certain to win, or they're getting paid more than the other guy to take a beating! Whatever happened to just wanting to compete?
 
In other sports you have to just face the music though. Boxing is just becoming harder and harder to make sense of. No one wants to take a fight unless they think they're 100% certain to win, or they're getting paid more than the other guy to take a beating! Whatever happened to just wanting to compete?
I think the Boxing boards are at fault as well to be fair. If they just enforced there own rules instead of letting promoters run the show then there would be less of a problem. There are timeframes for defences but they don't get enforced.

Directly from the WBC current rules.

3.1 Timing of Defenses. The WBC’s policy is to offer opportunities to boxers to compete for its titles, and thus the WBC seeks to prevent titles from being frozen due to inactivity by champions. Therefore, a WBC champion should strive to defend the title in mandatory or voluntary defenses at least three (3) times a year, unless a written exception or extension is granted by the WBC in its sole discretion. Therefore, a WBC champion should strive to defend his title at least every one hundred twenty (120) days unless otherwise permitted by the WBC in its sole discretion. Upon winning a title, a WBC champion must defend the title within 90 to 120 days or as otherwise ordered by the WBC, unless otherwise ordered or permitted by the WBC in its sole discretion.

3.2 Recognition Subject to Forfeit. A champion who does not defend his title within the periods set forth herein shall forfeit his title, unless the WBC in its sole discretion otherwise permits. Further, the WBC may also withdraw recognition of a mandatory or qualifying challenger for inactivity or failure to engage in any bout ordered by the WBC. A WBC champion may not compete for hold a championship of another organization unless permitted by the WBC in its sole discretion.

3.3 Qualified Challengers. Champions shall defend their titles, either in a voluntary or mandatory defense, against a challenger (each, a “Qualified Challenger”) in one of the following categories:
(a) any of the top ten (10) rated contenders; or
(b) with the approval of or ratification by a majority of the Board of Governors,
i. any boxer rated 11 to 15;

ii. a champion or a highly-rated boxer of another weight division;
iii. another WBC champion, such as a WBC Diamond or Silver Champion, Champion Emeritus, or Champion in Recess;
iv. a former world champion or other elite challenger;
v. a champion of another boxing organization recognized by the WBC; or(c) under special circumstances and with the approval of or ratification by two-third (2/3rd) of the Board of Governors, a contender not otherwise listed in one or more of the above categories.

3.4 Voluntary Defenses. In order to fulfill their requirement to defend the title regularly in a timely manner, champions shall propose voluntary defenses against Qualified Challengers as defined above. No bout shall qualify as a voluntary defense other than as permitted by the WBC in accordance with these Rules & Regulations or any WBC rulings. Any bout (voluntary or mandatory) in which a WBC World Champion would compete for or defend a title or status other than his WBC World Championship, even if the WBC title is also at stake, is not permitted absent special circumstances, and then only following a prior written request to and approval by the WBC, which in its sole discretion may approve, deny, or impose such terms and conditions as it may determine appropriate under the facts and circumstances on a case-by-case basis.

3.5 Mandatory Defense Obligations. All WBC champions shall make at least one (1) mandatory defense per year, unless an exception is granted by the WBC in its sole discretion. A champion may be required to make more than one mandatory defense per 14year, if the WBC has designated more than one mandatory challenger for any reason. No bout shall be considered a mandatory defense unless expressly approved as mandatory by the WBC, and made exclusively against an official mandatory challenger designated by the WBC. A challenger who wins the title inherits the mandatory defense obligations of the champion he defeated, unless the WBC in its sole discretion otherwise directs.

3.6 Timing and Extensions of Mandatory Defense Obligations. The time periods for mandatory defenses stated in these Rules may be altered by the WBC in its sole discretion under special circumstances, including if a champion has defended the title in a voluntary defense against a contender the WBC may have deemed a mandatory challenger. No mandatory bout may be contested until such time as is required for a mandatory defense under these Rules & Regulations, including any extensions that may be granted by the WBC in its sole discretion.


Fury won the WBC Heavyweight title in February 20. If the WBC enforced their rules he should have made 11-12 title defences in that time. He has made 3.

October 21
- Wilder - Voluntary - 20 months since winning the title however allowances made as this was during Covid.

April 22
- Whyte - Mandatory - 6 months since last defence

December 22
- Chisora - 8 months since last defence - this was a sham move by the WBC. They bumped Chisora to rank 15 just before the fight was announced so it could be sanctioned as a championship fight

February 24
- Usyk??? - 14 months since last defence if it happens

The WBC have never appointed a mandatory challenger since Whyte. Ridiculous. Just letting Fury get away with taking the pish.
 
I think the Boxing boards are at fault as well to be fair. If they just enforced there own rules instead of letting promoters run the show then there would be less of a problem. There are timeframes for defences but they don't get enforced.

Directly from the WBC current rules.

3.1 Timing of Defenses. The WBC’s policy is to offer opportunities to boxers to compete for its titles, and thus the WBC seeks to prevent titles from being frozen due to inactivity by champions. Therefore, a WBC champion should strive to defend the title in mandatory or voluntary defenses at least three (3) times a year, unless a written exception or extension is granted by the WBC in its sole discretion. Therefore, a WBC champion should strive to defend his title at least every one hundred twenty (120) days unless otherwise permitted by the WBC in its sole discretion. Upon winning a title, a WBC champion must defend the title within 90 to 120 days or as otherwise ordered by the WBC, unless otherwise ordered or permitted by the WBC in its sole discretion.

3.2 Recognition Subject to Forfeit. A champion who does not defend his title within the periods set forth herein shall forfeit his title, unless the WBC in its sole discretion otherwise permits. Further, the WBC may also withdraw recognition of a mandatory or qualifying challenger for inactivity or failure to engage in any bout ordered by the WBC. A WBC champion may not compete for hold a championship of another organization unless permitted by the WBC in its sole discretion.

3.3 Qualified Challengers. Champions shall defend their titles, either in a voluntary or mandatory defense, against a challenger (each, a “Qualified Challenger”) in one of the following categories:
(a) any of the top ten (10) rated contenders; or
(b) with the approval of or ratification by a majority of the Board of Governors,
i. any boxer rated 11 to 15;

ii. a champion or a highly-rated boxer of another weight division;
iii. another WBC champion, such as a WBC Diamond or Silver Champion, Champion Emeritus, or Champion in Recess;
iv. a former world champion or other elite challenger;
v. a champion of another boxing organization recognized by the WBC; or(c) under special circumstances and with the approval of or ratification by two-third (2/3rd) of the Board of Governors, a contender not otherwise listed in one or more of the above categories.

3.4 Voluntary Defenses. In order to fulfill their requirement to defend the title regularly in a timely manner, champions shall propose voluntary defenses against Qualified Challengers as defined above. No bout shall qualify as a voluntary defense other than as permitted by the WBC in accordance with these Rules & Regulations or any WBC rulings. Any bout (voluntary or mandatory) in which a WBC World Champion would compete for or defend a title or status other than his WBC World Championship, even if the WBC title is also at stake, is not permitted absent special circumstances, and then only following a prior written request to and approval by the WBC, which in its sole discretion may approve, deny, or impose such terms and conditions as it may determine appropriate under the facts and circumstances on a case-by-case basis.

3.5 Mandatory Defense Obligations. All WBC champions shall make at least one (1) mandatory defense per year, unless an exception is granted by the WBC in its sole discretion. A champion may be required to make more than one mandatory defense per 14year, if the WBC has designated more than one mandatory challenger for any reason. No bout shall be considered a mandatory defense unless expressly approved as mandatory by the WBC, and made exclusively against an official mandatory challenger designated by the WBC. A challenger who wins the title inherits the mandatory defense obligations of the champion he defeated, unless the WBC in its sole discretion otherwise directs.

3.6 Timing and Extensions of Mandatory Defense Obligations. The time periods for mandatory defenses stated in these Rules may be altered by the WBC in its sole discretion under special circumstances, including if a champion has defended the title in a voluntary defense against a contender the WBC may have deemed a mandatory challenger. No mandatory bout may be contested until such time as is required for a mandatory defense under these Rules & Regulations, including any extensions that may be granted by the WBC in its sole discretion.


Fury won the WBC Heavyweight title in February 20. If the WBC enforced their rules he should have made 11-12 title defences in that time. He has made 3.

October 21
- Wilder - Voluntary - 20 months since winning the title however allowances made as this was during Covid.

April 22 - Whyte - Mandatory - 6 months since last defence

December 22 - Chisora - 8 months since last defence - this was a sham move by the WBC. They bumped Chisora to rank 15 just before the fight was announced so it could be sanctioned as a championship fight

February 24 - Usyk??? - 14 months since last defence if it happens

The WBC have never appointed a mandatory challenger since Whyte. Ridiculous. Just letting Fury get away with taking the pish.
Yep - its a joke.
 
In other sports you have to just face the music though. Boxing is just becoming harder and harder to make sense of. No one wants to take a fight unless they think they're 100% certain to win, or they're getting paid more than the other guy to take a beating! Whatever happened to just wanting to compete?
It's note even a new thing though. Look at Mike Tyson's early career, fought champs that had never had a defence on their record, paper champs. Avoided Bowe, Lewis and Holyfield.....only fought them when it was bloody obvious his career was massively managed and his hype inflated and it became all about money. He's still living off the hype of beating average boxers and very low quality champions today. Since the late 70s early 80s boxing has bar a handful of people been a but of a joke
 
It's note even a new thing though. Look at Mike Tyson's early career, fought champs that had never had a defence on their record, paper champs. Avoided Bowe, Lewis and Holyfield.....only fought them when it was bloody obvious his career was massively managed and his hype inflated and it became all about money. He's still living off the hype of beating average boxers and very low quality champions today. Since the late 70s early 80s boxing has bar a handful of people been a but of a joke
Unpopular and very true.

"Prime Mike Tyson" knocked out bums
 
It's note even a new thing though. Look at Mike Tyson's early career, fought champs that had never had a defence on their record, paper champs. Avoided Bowe, Lewis and Holyfield.....only fought them when it was bloody obvious his career was massively managed and his hype inflated and it became all about money. He's still living off the hype of beating average boxers and very low quality champions today. Since the late 70s early 80s boxing has bar a handful of people been a but of a joke
Yeah fair enough. I always felt like the Lennox era, in which I grew up, was a good one. Don't remember him shirking anything and of the two times he lost, one was a total joke, and he avenged both.
 
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Joshua v Zhang is potentially a good fight but it makes no sense at all for Joshua to take it. Zhang is behind him in the rankings and he's potential banana skin. If he loses that he's lost his shot at a world title shot later in the year.

Ngannou might be the bigger banana skin. If he did beat Fury, as some will argue, he’s no bum. He can take a punch and hit hard. If he beats AJ then what does that say for his comeback and title aspirations?
 
Ngannou might be the bigger banana skin. If he did beat Fury, as some will argue, he’s no bum. He can take a punch and hit hard. If he beats AJ then what does that say for his comeback and title aspirations?
If he's beaten then any hopes of being a 3 time world champion is over.

I agree that Ngannou is also a potential banana skin by the way although I fancy the current version of AJ to blast him out... I think Zhangs range and power would cause AJ more problems.

No doubt Ngannou is a bigger purse than Zhang as well which I'm sure is a big factor in the decision.
 
Yeah fair enough. I always felt like the Lennox era, in which I grew up, was a good one. Don't remember him shirking anything and of the two times he lost, one was a total joke, and he avenged both.
Lennox is one of the few examples of someone that took on all comers, agreed
 
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