Anna Turley

ForssAwakens said:
Labour lost out by a few votes. Anna turley played and up and front role in campaigning. It’s my view as well as others that this played its part, and gives you a flavour of what might happen

My dad is representive of these voters. He was defending boris last night ‘we all broke the rules, we could distance at work, we brought cake in for people retiring’

Labour needs someone to appeal to these voters if they are to win Redcar.

They’ll have a better chance of winning appeasing them than trying to appease the socialists of the world like me and scrote
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Labour need to appeal to people who bizarrely think Boris Johnson did nothing wrong?

I don't think that's a good idea.
 
I'm a lifelong Labour voter i was also a remainer who accepted the vote to leave.

She can't grasp why her constituents voted leave and then got involved in lets have a second referendum nonsense. That's why I never voted Labour for the first time in my life at the last election.

I was expecting to vote labour again next year but I won't do so if she is the Redcar Labour candidate.
 
Merrykoala said:
I'll vote for her because I'd rather a Labour government than a Tory one but she's never impressed me, I've never seen her or her team knocking on my door come election time, they always seem to go around Redcar east for some reason.

The Redcar CLP seemed very split on her too going off the one meeting I attended. That said it was so chaotic and petty I never went back to another one.
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Labour are becoming a party of the least bad option. That's not good for the long term future of the country.
 
TeaCider said:
Labour need to appeal to people who bizarrely think Boris Johnson did nothing wrong?

I don't think that's a good idea.
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The Labour Party need to appeal more to working class people - many are surviving on relatively low incomes, rely totally on the State for their schools and health care. They maybe renting or own a modest property. They don't have a lot in savings and their opportunities are in general are limited for numerous reasons.

More importantly half? of them live outside Metropolitan areas. Labour in recent times seems dominated by people srrongly connected with the major cities - London, Manchester, Birmingham, Leeds etc - Milliband, Corbyn, Starmer opposed to Brown (Fife), Blair (County Durham), Kinnock (South Wales Valleys). I know Milliband's seat was Doncaster, but he seemed strongly connected with North London. I do think it affects how people think and the importance they put on certain issues.

I get the impression the Labour Party is doing well in relatively affluent areas of major cities such as Hampstead, Kensington, Islington, but struggling in working class areas outside major cities, like Redcar.

Example of what the Labour Party could do

Raise Income tax threshold to £16k
Raise Living Wage to £11/hour and reduce age to 21
Extend NI credits to all areas (from Freeport Zones) to struggling economically so its cheaper to employ people in certain areas of the country
Provide funds to further develop areas like Middlehaven, so young people don't have to leave Teesside and areas like it to get on.
Improve infrastructure in left behind areas instead of HS2 schemes connecting two Metro cities
Move central public sector job out of prosperous areas of the UK
Invest more in further education which traditionally supported working class communities (local tech colleges with vocational courses etc)


How to pay - reduce the levels of tax reliefs say on pensions for example reduce all tax relief to 20% instead a persons higher tax rates.

A more balanced econmy will also produce more tax income and reduce welfare payments and allow central services to be deliveried at lower cost

Reduce tax reliefs in some other areas too like private education, non dom statuses
 
Easterside_Red said:
The 2019 GE was a single issue vote: Brexit. Red wall voters were turned off by Corbyn's failure to make clear what his position was.

There's posters on here who claim that Labour lost the 2019 election because the Party considered red wall Brexit voters to be thick racist gammons. The same posters, without a hint of irony, retrospectively blame the 2019 loss on red wall Brexit voters not being able to appreciate Corbyn's proposed convoluted solution, i.e. we'll spend 3 years negotiating a soft Brexit then we'll have another Referendum but I'll stay neutral 🤔
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The Labour position was perfectly clear. The media (egged on by the Labour-right) pushed a narrative that it was convoluted but anyone with an ounce of sense and a spare minute could see through that.

I explained it to a few non-political* mates who had decided it was a good reason/excuse not to vote Labour and they understood what was being proposed after a few minutes. One decided it was just a ruse to push for a "Brexit In Name Only" scenario but everyone else realised they were being hoodwinked.

Most of the people I spoke to in the run up to 2019 believed the antisemitism lie and were put off Corbyn because "his own party didn't trust him" or words to that effect. Anna Turley helped put those ideas into people's heads.

*as in not particularly interested in long political debates but still up with what is/was happening
 
Corbyn was an easy target and a lot of vested interests wanted him back on the back benchers, often for different reasons.

Generally those in powerful positions in society felt threatened by Corbyn, some even within the Labour Party. These often are the peope with be greatest influence e.g. they control 99% of the media. They in (powerful positions) run the country and its larger institutions.

His enthusiam in the past for international leftist causes concerned anyone on the right in the UK and Overseas. Any past connections or sympathies for the PLO will quickly be stamped on by established Jewish and Zionist groups who are to some extent are naturally defensive after what happened in WW2 to Jews in Europe. It was very noticeably how the Labour Party anti-semitism stopped abruptly after December 2019. (in the media).

Many who are not right wing also felt threatened, they saw Corbyn as a potential unwelcomed disrupter, an example would somewhere like the BBC or the career politicians in the Labour Party who were wedded to a Blairist Centrist route a sort of modern day SDP (Shirley Williams, David Owen, Roy Jenkins), Say call them tweakers. They were content with how the country was run, it just needed some tweaks. Corbyn was not a tweaker.

Another image put out was that Corbyn was a student protester who had never got rid of his Che Guervara T shirt, a sort of 70 year old Citizen Smith. Like the advertsing industry clever manipulators can find a strength and magnify it and with negative politics find a weakness and magnify it. In some ways McDonald would have been a better figurehead, but I am sure links to the KGB in the 1980s would have been found by the media and how his favourite read was the Communist Manifesto and his all time hero was Uncle Joe Stalin.
 
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Anna Turley may have made mistakes in her tenure as MP for Redcar, but she was many steps up from Vera Baird who did nothing to rescue the blast furnace from closure, first time round in 2010.

#UTB
 
thewanderer said:
A nice little stint working for the betting industry for St Anna in the years since being booted out by the electorate.
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I was a little shocked to read this too - supposedly she was campaigning for no money limits on betting which implies betting companies were paying her to campaign on their behalf.

It is really true?
 
Easterside_Red said:
Not many did though, ergo red wall voters are thick as pig$hiite according to your logic.
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No, the point is that most people are sensible enough to understand fairly simple concepts.

The problem is that they don't have the time (and oftentimes the inclination) to dig beyond the headlines.

The Tories (and GOP) have understood this and played on it for decades. Historically (in the West at least) the left has tried to be more circumspect and explain the what and why of things. Basically the people who control the press have a much easier time getting a message across.

Which is why the disgraceful behaviour of the Labout-right, including Anna Turley, was so damaging. People took it at face value because they didn't have the time, or, as far as they were aware, the need, to fact check the messages coming from the political left. They knew the press would rip Labour a new one and could process information coming from that direction based on their past knowledge.

The Brexit question should have been dealt with by politicians from the off. It's what we pay them for. The referendum was a bad idea, implemented by incompetents at the behest of the abominable. The country was played by a mix of far-right and Russian interests. It also suffered from people seeing it as a free-hit at "the establishment" whilst assuming remain would romp home.

Which is a key lesson in never voting for the thing you don't actually want...
 
exiledinboro said:
First off she she's in a seat where 60% voted to leave the EU
Turkey backs Starmers second referendum
Loses seat, and blames Corbyn! 🤔
She voted against a common market 2.0 yet is the darling of the rejoiners
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Brexit was a mistake. She was right.

A second referendum was the best way to correct/avoid that mistake. She was right.

Corbyn and his office were a bigger problem due do unpopularity on the one hand and astonishing incompetence and political stupidity on the other. And on Brexit. She was right.

'Common Market 2.0' did not solve the Irish Border problem. And it was an idicative vote that had no power and we know the Government would ignore, as they did and subsequent governments did. She was right.
 
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