Another mass shooting in the USA

Same_as_before said:
We were in Georgia and pulled up in a service station. I started to have a chat with a lady who could not understand my accent. She was disbelieving our Police do not have guns as standard, and that nearly everyone in the UK does not own one.
She had no idea where the UK was.
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She had no idea where the UK was.

We found that many of the Americans my wife and I came across during our trips to the country had
pretty much no idea where any country was outside of their own. This was confirmed after telling them that
we were from Australia, the usual and most common response " Oh Wow, You guys speak really good English " :mad:
 
Distressingly it seems that the shooter was streaming the attack live.

At what point will American's realise that there is no justification for personal possession of assault weapons? I get that in a country saturated with firearms that people might feel the need to have a gun but you do not need an AR-15 (or similar). I guess from the descriptions I have read that this guy was using something along those lines? He wore a bullet proof vest that stopped a round from the store guard a retired police office who he then shot. It would seem logical to remove them from ownership or to limit them to retention at gun clubs or ranges where they can be fired safely then secured.

But what do I know, my heart breaks for the victims.
 
redblood said:
She had no idea where the UK was.

We found that many of the Americans my wife and I came across during our trips to the country had
pretty much no idea where any country was outside of their own. This was confirmed after telling them that
we were from Australia, the usual and most common response " Oh Wow, You guys speak really good English " :mad:
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The US is a huge country state of New York is about the size of England And when i drive from LI to buffalo its nearly 480 miles away . Plus people don’t get much time off for holidays here and there’s a huge pressure not to take them. I’m not defending the lack of geographical awareness but it’s not like the whole of the U.K. has a handle on places.
For every person who makes a comment like that you’ll find some very bright people - for example , that’s why people come here for top level cancer care etc
 
Like a few on here, I have spent quite a while in the US, earning a living. I used to get upset about the gun culture but then I learned to live with it. I love the place but I have turned down may job offers solely because of the attitude to guns. The gun lobby is very powerful because people directly relate the right to own guns to being an american.
IT IS FUC,KING INSANE.

There isnt a single, logical reason to legalise handguns and assault rifles. They are tools of war and are designed to kill people.
 
Jedi boro said:
I’ve always said in order to understand how some ( not all) Americans regard guns and gun laws swap guns for alcohol in this country.
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I think it’s a reasonable analogy
MoggasDog said:
Like a few on here, I have spent quite a while in the US, earning a living. I used to get upset about the gun culture but then I learned to live with it. I love the place but I have turned down may job offers solely because of the attitude to guns. The gun lobby is very powerful because people directly relate the right to own guns to being an american.
IT IS FUC,KING INSANE.

There isnt a single, logical reason to legalise handguns and assault rifles. They are tools of war and are designed to kill people.
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it’s really not like the whole
Place is talking about guns or you see them. Exactly where were you if I may ask?
 
Jesus Christ, again?

Standard response will be thoughts and prayers
This is not the time to talk about gun control
NRA will propose gun lessons for pre-schoolers

Then another shooting.

Standard response will be thoughts and prayers
This is not the time to talk about gun control
NRA will propose gun lessons for pre-schoolers

Then another shooting.

Standard response will be thoughts and prayers
This is not the time to talk about gun control
NRA will propose gun lessons for pre-schoolers

Then another shooting.

Standard response will be thoughts and prayers
This is not the time to talk about gun control
NRA will propose gun lessons for pre-schoolers

Repeat ad nauseum. This will continue until politicians actually lose their own kids, then you'll see change.

Its sickening, but this has been the pattern since Sandy Hook.
 
Same_as_before said:
We were in Georgia and pulled up in a service station. I started to have a chat with a lady who could not understand my accent. She was disbelieving our Police do not have guns as standard, and that nearly everyone in the UK does not own one.
She had no idea where the UK was.
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where is it ?
 
Making guns illegal would have very little impact on gun numbers across the US for decades. If anything gun sales rise rapidly every time the matter is discussed. To ban firearms and rid them from American culture would be 100+ year war. It would be as big of a fight as prohibition, if not bigger and sadly, not one any US government could win.
 
Mfc79 said:
Making guns illegal would have very little impact on gun numbers across the US for decades. If anything gun sales rise rapidly every time the matter is discussed. To ban firearms and rid them from American culture would be 100+ year war. It would be as big of a fight as prohibition, if not bigger and sadly, not one any US government could win.
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The 1996 Australian nfa suggests otherwise. You don't have to eradicate guns to see an impact, you have to reduce them.

Of course Australia bought the guns of the owners and there were about 500k not hundreds of millions. But pro rata, there were more guns in Australia I believe.
 
clay said:
If the definition of mass shooting is 4+ people shot in one incident, it's one per day.
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202 in 135 days this year, 127 involving the death of one person (not including the shooter).
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buffaloboro said:
I think it’s a reasonable analogy

it’s really not like the whole
Place is talking about guns or you see them. Exactly where were you if I may ask?
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I have worked all of over the country, right up to the first lockdown. Longest periods were in Ohio, Minnesota & Dallas.
 
buffaloboro said:
The US is a huge country state of New York is about the size of England And when i drive from LI to buffalo its nearly 480 miles away . Plus people don’t get much time off for holidays here and there’s a huge pressure not to take them. I’m not defending the lack of geographical awareness but it’s not like the whole of the U.K. has a handle on places.
For every person who makes a comment like that you’ll find some very bright people - for example , that’s why people come here for top level cancer care etc
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My perception of the states (and I could be way off given my experience is just one visit and some American relatives) is that it feels more like a continent made of different countries than just one big country.

The culture/attitude in places like New York feels very different to that in somewhere like Texas for example. Maybe as different as it is between England and other western European countries perhaps? Obviously there's a lot of shared culture (as there is in Europe) but lots of big differences too. Hard to therefore make assumptions about people in the country as a whole.
 
festa5 said:
My perception of the states (and I could be way off given my experience is just one visit and some American relatives) is that it feels more like a continent made of different countries than just one big country.

The culture/attitude in places like New York feels very different to that in somewhere like Texas for example. Maybe as different as it is between England and other western European countries perhaps? Obviously there's a lot of shared culture (as there is in Europe) but lots of big differences too. Hard to therefore make assumptions about people in the country as a whole.
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Absolutely spot on, that's my biggest take away after living there for 4 years.

Even within Texas (which is huge) somewhere like Austin is worlds away from somewhere like Amarillo.
 
festa5 said:
My perception of the states (and I could be way off given my experience is just one visit and some American relatives) is that it feels more like a continent made of different countries than just one big country.

The culture/attitude in places like New York feels very different to that in somewhere like Texas for example. Maybe as different as it is between England and other western European countries perhaps? Obviously there's a lot of shared culture (as there is in Europe) but lots of big differences too. Hard to therefore make assumptions about people in the country as a whole.
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Very true
 
MoggasDog said:
I have worked all of over the country, right up to the first lockdown. Longest periods were in Ohio, Minnesota & Dallas.
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MD did you experience people talking about guns quite frequently? I know someone who moved to Texas as he saw it as more “ gun friendly” but I would not say , prior to his move , he was discussing them frequently.
 
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