Appearances totals of key players in 23-24, why we missed out.

I think the impact of the injuries are overstated, quite significantly. Yes, we were missing players but we generally have like for like replacements.
CM - Hackney > Barlaser
CF - Lath > Rogers, Crooks, Coburn (playing through a hernia), Greenwood
LW - McGree > Greenwood, Silvera
RB - Smith > Rav


We might have some like for like in being able to play the role but not in quality, no where near
 
I totally agree - I think at the start of the season our fully fit "Plan A" was going to be...

Dieng
Smith - Fry - Lenhian - Engel
O'Brien Hackney
Forss - Rogers - McGree
Latte Lath

So based on your stats, games missed in the league...

7
35 - 15 - 32 - 2
17 - 21
22 - 0 - 21
11

183 games in total.

I also don't think our first choice 11 has every played together in a single game this season.
 
As mentioned I think we have never been able to build a settled side, different partnerships and combinations every week.

Also the lack of quality on the bench, the hull game at home springs to mind , when they changed 5 players and then took control of the game as we tired.
 
CM - Hackney > Barlaser
CF - Lath > Rogers, Crooks, Coburn (playing through a hernia), Greenwood
LW - McGree > Greenwood, Silvera
RB - Smith > Rav


We might have some like for like in being able to play the role but not in quality, no where near
Not forgetting pace as not being equal amongst replacements. When Lath and Jones (and to a lesser extent Bangura) were out, the lack of pace massively impacted how we were able to play, regardless of whether it looked like we had a decent backup ready and waiting.
 
Not forgetting pace as not being equal amongst replacements. When Lath and Jones (and to a lesser extent Bangura) were out, the lack of pace massively impacted how we were able to play, regardless of whether it looked like we had a decent backup ready and waiting.
Exactly this. You can't pick a player of the season this year as I don't think anyone has played the full season! It's a little ridiculous. If you did have to pick, I'd go RVDB though
 
CM - Hackney > Barlaser
CF - Lath > Rogers, Crooks, Coburn (playing through a hernia), Greenwood
LW - McGree > Greenwood, Silvera
RB - Smith > Rav


We might have some like for like in being able to play the role but not in quality, no where near
This is true. Some of them are downgrades but not massively so. We're talking about players that are 7 or 8 out of 10 being replaced by players that are 6 or 7 out of 10. Our problem this season is we have no 10s or 9s, not that we have lost our 7s and 8s for a bit of time.

The OP said:
I see a lot of posters say we were not good enough this season.
I see that as we are not good enough to be challenging for the automatics and not that we aren't good enough to be scraping the playoffs. We are good enough to scrape the playoffs and injuries have probably set us back a bit. I still think that is a failure of the club to only be in a position where with a fully fit squad we could have scraped the playoffs when last season we were of the best 3 teams in the league. The team that wins the race to 6th rarely goes on to win promotion. It is far more likely that the team that fails to get the autos goes on to win the playoffs because they are the better team. We have fallen massively in quality because we lost all of our star players and replaced them with players that are a lower quality.

I think the injuries are a valid excuse for us not being as good as we could have been but they are not a good excuse for why this squad isn't anywhere near close to being good enough to challenge for the autos. Recruitment is the main issue and the extremely slow start to the season can be blamed on recruitment, as can the post-January slump.

There is another topic on the board today for championship team of the year. We haven't got anyone that you would even remotely say should be in contention this season. Last year Akpom was there, as the best player in the league, and you could have made a case for Giles and Archer and maybe Hackney. If we're going to have anyone in contention next year then it's probably going to come from Hackney or VDB or it will be a new signing because I really can't see anyone else being capable.

The squad is good in the sense that we have a big squad of capable players and that is why the injuries haven't affected us as badly as they could have done but we are seriously lacking star quality and that is what we need to change this summer.
 
I totally agree - I think at the start of the season our fully fit "Plan A" was going to be...

Dieng
Smith - Fry - Lenhian - Engel
O'Brien Hackney
Forss - Rogers - McGree
Latte Lath

So based on your stats, games missed in the league...

7
35 - 15 - 32 - 2
17 - 21
22 - 0 - 21
11

183 games in total.

I also don't think our first choice 11 has every played together in a single game this season.
Or to put it another way, on average we have had 4 first team players missing every game.......and often we've had their backups missing at the same time.
 
If you look at the best X1 from last season that built up such a rapport and played regularly together, we've not had 6 or 7 of that team, not 5 or 6, not even 3 or 4, but one solitary player (Howson) from that side for the majority of this season.
That's down to transfers, players being on loan, but mostly down to injuries.
To have to integrate an entirely new team, and then for those players to be regularly disrupted by injury is incredibly difficult. For someone to say that injuries etc have had very little impact, shows a massive ignorance of how football works, or maybe it shows someone who has an agenda to always be negative because they're sure they know so much better.
 
To have to integrate an entirely new team, and then for those players to be regularly disrupted by injury is incredibly difficult.
Agreed, it was a big ask. By moving away from the loan market for our core team, we have largely removed one of those factors. If we want Bill next year, it's an easy signing, O'Brien is probably the only other we would consider and he will probably be a fairly easy signing. too, should we decide to. There should be greater continuity next season, not just in the first XI but also in the squad. That should help us hit the ground running this time.

We've been notoriously slow starters in recent seasons:

23/24 - 1 point in first 6 games
22/23 - 6 points
21/22 - 6 points
20/21 - 9 points
19/21 - 6 points
18/19 - 14 points
17/18 - 10 points
15/16 - 11 points
14/15 - 9 points
13/14 - 6 points
12/13 - 9 points
11/12 - 13 points
10/11 - 7 points
09/10 - 13 points

In the last 14 seasons in the champo, we've failed to get better than 1 point per game 5 times!!!!
We've got 1.5 points per game or less (below top ten position) NINE times out of 14. This is a repeating issue. Two third of the time, we are playing catch up one month into the season. We must turn that around this season. I'm fine with new signings largely being on the bench for the first month, just make sure we get everyone fit and healthy. I guess the first XI if everyone is fit is competitive, even if we don't get any signings.

..........................Dieng
Smith......Rav..........Clarke.......Engel
.........Howson.........Hackney
Forss.........Azaz..........McGree
.....................Lath

I suppose Smith might not be fit, so RB is the one we have to get sorted first this summer. Ayling would mean we could start next season with a setteld side.
 
This is true. Some of them are downgrades but not massively so. We're talking about players that are 7 or 8 out of 10 being replaced by players that are 6 or 7 out of 10. Our problem this season is we have no 10s or 9s, not that we have lost our 7s and 8s for a bit of time.

The OP said:

I see that as we are not good enough to be challenging for the automatics and not that we aren't good enough to be scraping the playoffs. We are good enough to scrape the playoffs and injuries have probably set us back a bit. I still think that is a failure of the club to only be in a position where with a fully fit squad we could have scraped the playoffs when last season we were of the best 3 teams in the league. The team that wins the race to 6th rarely goes on to win promotion. It is far more likely that the team that fails to get the autos goes on to win the playoffs because they are the better team. We have fallen massively in quality because we lost all of our star players and replaced them with players that are a lower quality.

I think the injuries are a valid excuse for us not being as good as we could have been but they are not a good excuse for why this squad isn't anywhere near close to being good enough to challenge for the autos. Recruitment is the main issue and the extremely slow start to the season can be blamed on recruitment, as can the post-January slump.

There is another topic on the board today for championship team of the year. We haven't got anyone that you would even remotely say should be in contention this season. Last year Akpom was there, as the best player in the league, and you could have made a case for Giles and Archer and maybe Hackney. If we're going to have anyone in contention next year then it's probably going to come from Hackney or VDB or it will be a new signing because I really can't see anyone else being capable.

The squad is good in the sense that we have a big squad of capable players and that is why the injuries haven't affected us as badly as they could have done but we are seriously lacking star quality and that is what we need to change this summer.
I do think that is underplaying it. We are not far off scraping in the playoffs as it is, so with a fully fit squad it's not unreasonable to think we would be comfortatbly in them and not far off the top.

We don't have anyone anywhere near the championship team of the year because barely anyone has had a full season. As someone said above it's very difficult to pick a player of the year in these circumstances. (I'd probably go Rav as well). You could make a case for a few players challenging if they'd had a full season.
 
This is true. Some of them are downgrades but not massively so. We're talking about players that are 7 or 8 out of 10 being replaced by players that are 6 or 7 out of 10. Our problem this season is we have no 10s or 9s, not that we have lost our 7s and 8s for a bit of time.
Not sure I concur with that. Hackney's replacement is effectively Barlaser, Barlaser can't travel with the ball, he can't effectively receive the ball under pressure and turn. That's a massive down grade in that role.

All the players that have tried playing striker have been miles behind Lath's level. Even Coburn, but he's young and was carrying an injury.

We can handle CB injuries, we can handle one RW injury, we can handle RB and even LB injuries without it being a major issue. But there are certain roles where we can't handle it right now, LW, 10, CF, CM. Several roles like RB, CB and RW have had multiple injuries at the same time, which no squad can really deal with.

Under normal injury circumstances we've built a play off capable side, for a fraction of the cost of Norwich or West Brom with their parachute payments. I suspect the improvements next year will get us into the play offs.

I'm not sure West Brom have 9s or 10s, even Southampton probably haven't. Maybe even Ipswich haven't, Leif Davis is probably the only one that might be an 8 or 9 fairly regularly.

I'd love to have those players that let you run away with the league, but we don't have them
 
Injuries have cost us the playoffs. Selling Chuba cost us automatic.
But if we would have kept Chuba we wouldn't have had many of the players we signed, and he would have left for free in a couple of weeks. I wish we could have agreed an extension, but we got 10m more than we expected a year earlier and that allowed us to buy and sell Rogers, and sign Rav and Dieng.
 
But if we would have kept Chuba we wouldn't have had many of the players we signed, and he would have left for free in a couple of weeks. I wish we could have agreed an extension, but we got 10m more than we expected a year earlier and that allowed us to buy and sell Rogers, and sign Rav and Dieng.
We signed most whilst Akpom was still with us didn't we, wasn't he in the bench at the start of the season?
 
That doesn’t mean the two weren’t related and didn’t Lath our most expensive signing come after Akpom had left?
Possibly but it doesn't mean that the funds from that deal were required. We've made a couple of major sales in the last couple of years, without splashing big money. I think we had money in the kitty from the Spence and Tavernier transfers.

Like you though, I don't know the details.
 
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