Archer - the Return

indeedido said:
I don't think that is exactly what he is describing.
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He's suggesting we didn't rotate Akpom - so when he was injured we lost our attacking threat for 1 game.

The solution to that would be to have a good backup player for the very few games in which they're needed, which is what I'm describing.

If we rotated Akpom last season - we'd have lost a large % of our goals - and probably wouldn't have made the play-offs to lose him for that one game.

You can't have the best of both worlds.
 
Most top teams play one top striker for 60-65 minutes then bring on another top striker for 25-30 minutes. The following game they may rotate.
 
Ash88 said:
He's suggesting we didn't rotate Akpom - so when he was injured we lost our attacking threat for 1 game.

The solution to that would be to have a good backup player for the very few games in which they're needed, which is what I'm describing.

If we rotated Akpom last season - we'd have lost a large % of our goals - and probably wouldn't have made the play-offs to lose him for that one game.

You can't have the best of both worlds.
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I'm not saying we should have rotated Akpom.

I'm saying you try and recruit someone to genuinely compete with him. If they're better he loses his place but so what? The other guy is better.

If he's not quite as good then he won't play as much but if something happens to Akpom (or whoever) you have a replacement of very similar quality so the wheels are less likely to come off.

I think we're mostly on the same page, but I think you buy another forward to challenge Lath (may the best man win) you seem to be saying we should intentionally go for someone not quite as good purely to act as a understudy and nothing else.
 
festa5 said:
I'm not saying we should have rotated Akpom.

I'm saying you try and recruit someone to genuinely compete with him. If they're better he loses his place but so what? The other guy is better.

If he's not quite as good then he won't play as much but if something happens to Akpom (or whoever) you have a replacement of very similar quality so the wheels are less likely to come off.

I think we're mostly on the same page, but I think you buy another forward to challenge Lath (may the best man win) you seem to be saying we should intentionally go for someone not quite as good purely to act as a understudy and nothing else.
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Surely in the modern game you'd like a player who can both challenge ELL and complement him so it's not an either/or.

In the same way Álvarez can play with or in place of Haaland - but in the Championship
 
If Archer is available we have to be in for him surely, what intent would that show the rest of the league straight up!! Archer, Lath, Coburn up top, Mcgree, Azaz, Jones, forss, Hackney, Howson and New signing for Central midfield, back line of RVDB, Clarke, Lenihan, Ayling, Bangura, some squad that we are building here!!
 
'Backup player' seems to be a popular idea on here but it indicates a squirrel mentality which is a luxury at this level. Maybe a decent, versatile player exists who could do a job.
 
The trouble with "good" back up players is if they were good they would be first team. I doubt very much archer would want to be on the subs bench in the championship.

Spend your money on the first team. We've had a big squad this year and it's done us no good.
Sign a few players who can play in multiple positions then play the kids.
 
LaPennaBianca said:
Surely in the modern game you'd like a player who can both challenge ELL and complement him so it's not an either/or.

In the same way Álvarez can play with or in place of Haaland - but in the Championship
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Most modern forwards should be capable of that really though.

Lath has played wide at previous clubs, as has Archer.

Both better through the middle, but then so is Alvarez.
 
Ayresome_park said:
If Archer is available we have to be in for him surely, what intent would that show the rest of the league straight up!! Archer, Lath, Coburn up top, Mcgree, Azaz, Jones, forss, Hackney, Howson and New signing for Central midfield, back line of RVDB, Clarke, Lenihan, Ayling, Bangura, some squad that we are building here!!
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Archer will be top price, it would be a statement though. Jay Stansfield is a good alternative as a striker that has a slightly different skillset to lath, is young enough to not expect to play every game, but has proven he can perform at this level with 12 goals for a poor Birmingham.

Another good alternative is Tom Cannon, we know we had an interest, again he is a different skillset to Lath, again he’s proven he can perform at this level, might be available after wasting 12 months on leicesters bench/treatment room. He’s now back to where he was a year ago, 4th choice for a prem side.

Or we go abroad again, to find another Lath
 
I can't understand why people think it would be a sensible move to bring Archer back.

There's no reason to think Lath won't be able to play the majority of games next season. Do we really want a substantial percentage of our wage bill being used on a player who may spend the majority of the season sitting on the bench?

It would be great to have two top quality strikers competing for their place in the team but we're not in a position currently where we can afford that. It would be different if we still had the parachute payments.

Sign a cheap striker from abroad or look to bring in a young striker on loan and spend the money on a quality LB/DM/LW.
 
parmoboy said:
I can't understand why people think it would be a sensible move to bring Archer back.

There's no reason to think Lath won't be able to play the majority of games next season. Do we really want a substantial percentage of our wage bill being used on a player who may spend the majority of the season sitting on the bench?

It would be great to have two top quality strikers competing for their place in the team but we're not in a position currently where we can afford that. It would be different if we still had the parachute payments.

Sign a cheap striker from abroad or look to bring in a young striker on loan and spend the money on a quality LB/DM/LW.
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I agree, the club needs to spend the money where needed.
I would look around the lower leagues for a good young prospect for another CF to develop.
 
My priorities this summer would be a left sided forward, a central midfielder, then if there's owt left have a look at the fullback positions. And sign ayling on.

If we are playing one up top I'm happy with lath forss and coburn.
 
The way ELL plays, you are gonna struggle to get 90 mins out of him most weeks anyway, he is so explosive, better to bring him off after 60/70 mins as there is the increased risk of keeping him on when fatigued, or rotating.

Does our squad have enough room for Archer - absolutely, we need two quality strikers - but the finances of the deal probably make it a deal we are unlikely to complete.
 
If we had the likes of archer in that’s a good chance of us having 2 players contributing 50 goals . I don’t think I’m getting carried away but we’re probably hitting 100 goals 🫢
 
Archer would eat most of our budget, ideal world he would be perfect to fight with Lath, but we don't have a budget that can bring archer in while getting two midfielder, another 10 option, a LW and a couple of squad players.

My list:
- a high quality CDM, I've talked about Ardon Jashiri in the past but he has gone to Club Brugge (I'd still keep an eye on him if we get promoted next season). An alternative might be Salvatore Esposita at Spezia, Italian U21, now in Serie B, a good long term replacement for Howson with a high ceiling
- a young 4th choice CM to replace Barlaser, someone like Marc Leonard at Northampton or Kyprianou at Peterborough
- LW - this is a role we go big for me. Greenwood, McGree's injury, Silvera, these have all had the odd moment, but really not delivered across the season. It's held us back. Get quality in this area and it will significantly improve us. Prefer to buy, but would even take a high quality loan.
- 10 - we have Azaz, we have Gilbert. Ideal world we get Akpom back, if the numbers don't add up to a loan with agreed buy back if we get promoted, then I'd be happy to go for a young player whose ripped it up in League One, like Karamoko Dembele, 21 year old, 13 assists and 4 goals in League One, good ball carrier, wins fouls, lots of potential but can deliver already.
- CF - back in for Tom Canon, or Jay Stansfield for me. Even on loan with agreement to buy

Get those 5 in, sell Barlaser for 1m, Dijksteel for 700k, we've already sold Crooks for 2m and Rogers for 10+ and rising. Costs should break even.
 
There is very little chance of us finishing top 2 if we don't bring in another centre forward that can play upfront. It's too much for Lath to do on his own. Forss and Coburn can act as a third and fourth choice but we need a top quality striker to chip in. It's a long old season.
 
We made a mistake going into the season with 2 strikers, it's not enough (I don't count Forrs as he never plays him there). Even playing 1 up top we need 3 strikers. Ideally we need a Chuba type who can play 9 and 10. Same with midfield we need a partner for Hackney who can receive the ball comfortably off the keeper if/when Hackney isn't fit.
 
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