Azeem Rafiq in antisemitism storm

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So I presume that those also involved in historic racism can also just apologise and move on? Vaughan? Bumble?
 

So I presume that those also involved in historic racism can also just apologise and move on? Vaughan? Bumble?
Vaughan hasn't apologised though has he....has denied saying what's alleged? Bumble's already apologised I believe?
 
Ah "The Spectator"...

Does this legitimise the abuse of Rafiq in some way or does it just further show that the poison of racism is something that we all need to make a thing of the past?

Rafiq has verified and addressed the messages himself, rightly apologising for them too.

It doesn't change anything though, making bigoted comments doesn't excuse being subjected to bigotry yourself.

It needs rooting out everywhere.
 

So I presume that those also involved in historic racism can also just apologise and move on? Vaughan? Bumble?

Apologise? Like YCCC and Vaughan did you mean??

Bumble personally phoned Rafiq when the story came out and apologised, Rafiq accepted the apology.
 
Rafiq has verified and addressed the messages himself, rightly apologising for them too.

It doesn't change anything though, making bigoted comments doesn't excuse being subjected to bigotry yourself.

It needs rooting out everywhere.
This is exactly it.

He said what he said, but so did Vaughan and others. The difference is he has owned up to it and there are no powerful backers trying to sweep it under the carpet.
 
Rafiq has said all along that he was not looking to target individuals as he himself was no angel. It was the environment that he wanted to change. He has rightly apologised and not tried to diminish what he did. The reason he was asked before the parliamentary commission was because Yorkshire tried to imply that everything that happened was just joking and banter, rather than admitting there was any problem.
 
He didn't leak them though did he.

Not sure what relevance that has?

He still said it.

I would not be surprised if it was some knobhead trying to discredit him with a t*t for tat that found the messages, but the messages were still sent.

He's apologised for it though, which is all you can really ask for in this specific case.
 
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This is the problem with with hunts in this day and age - it will often come back to haunt you.
No, this just shows what Rafiq always said. We have a society wide problem. What he has done is shine a light on it in the hope and expectation that something would be done to stop it. That YCCC tried to dismiss it as "banter" is the problem not the fact that Rafiq himself said and made some abhorrently racist comments. It is just sad that some people will interpret this as making racism OK, because some Asian people called me a "white boy" or some other insult, that they were excluded from something because they were white. As if this justifies their beliefs.
 
This is going to turn into a **** storm, more than it already is. It's good that all of this has come out now though, as it should really help clamp down on institutional racism, and other forms of abuse, and bring to light things which some people don't even realise exists, or they know it exists but deny it.

I've been in various dressing rooms and various employment where people who were and still are very much good mates, used and still use racist/ageist/fat shaming/sexist/degrading and every other type of comment against each other, and both sides genuinely laugh it off, and keep upping the anti. Hard for some to know where the line is, and not overstep it, and that is if there even is a line between some people, with most there is, but with some there isn't.

I've also been in many situations where people have ganged up on someone, and the victim has laughed it off, when they've clearly done that as a defence, that's a horrendous thing to experience.

I'm sure many on here have had the same experiences over the years.

Apologising for racism certainly doesn't make it ok though, even if the apology is accepted.
 

Just as proof that it's not just a smear article from the Spectator, if that was the implication.
Need to be careful which news sources we quote on here even if multiple sources have reported the same story. I'm sure there's an unwritten list somewhere but I've never seen it.

I imagine Rafiq would have known this story would have come out anyways and rightly apologised for his actions. If only those who abused him would do the same.
 
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