Booing the Ramadan drinks break

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Sexpom said:
I never said anyone was being racist on this thread, the racism came from the stands. There has been a fair amount of tripe posted on this thread, I’d tag it but it’s very easy to find. They are fasting for their beliefs what issue does a water break cause? Everyone has a right to believe in what they want and they deserve any support afforded to them. I’m disappointed by a few posters on this thread tonight.
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Of course they have the right to believe in whatever they want, but once that starts to impinge on others it becomes more complex.
 
Sexpom said:
A 30 second water break doesn’t impinge on anyone or anything though. The racists booing it however ….
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The racists booing are absolute clowns.

A water break breaks the flow of the game, allows coaches to pass instructions and reorganise. I don’t accept that it doesn’t impinge. It’s not really 30 seconds either, it can be up to a couple of minutes of inaction.
 
BoroMart said:
The racists booing are absolute clowns.

A water break breaks the flow of the game, allows coaches to pass instructions and reorganise. I don’t accept that it doesn’t impinge. It’s not really 30 seconds either, it can be up to a couple of minutes of inaction.
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You are correct of course but people are not willing to see that, in reality that 2 min break will have made zero difference to those apparently effected.
 
BoroMart said:
The racists booing are absolute clowns.

A water break breaks the flow of the game, allows coaches to pass instructions and reorganise. I don’t accept that it doesn’t impinge. It’s not really 30 seconds either, it can be up to a couple of minutes of inaction.
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It works both ways for either team, it doesn’t really have a negative impact one way or the other. It’s a break in play for inclusion and diversity.
 
jeff_potato said:
Two players actually broke their fast just before kick-off, which coincidentally was just a couple of minutes after sundown tonight. They were handed bananas and drinks by the Burnley staff between the line up and kick off.

Many people may have confused it with the general time wasting employed this evening, but that can't excuse some of the comments overheard by people on this thread.
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Yeah I noticed this, in front of the west stand towards the north.
 
BoroMart said:
Stupid to boo it…however the sport shouldn’t be making concessions for religions. It’s people personal choice to believe in any sky fairy they choose but it shouldn’t enforce a break in football or any sport.
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A two minute drink break is hardly much of a concession, especially when these players probably couldn’t play the match properly if it wasn’t offered
 
There was no announcement of why it happened. I had no idea. I didn't hear any booing but clearly there was some. Strange to do it then as it was dark much early so it seemed weird.

I don't know why anyone would be bothered enough to boo.
 
Playing football professionally can be considered haraam by devout muslims.

Wearing a shirt that promotes gambling is haraam even for non-devout muslims.

I have no real problem with the break (and certainly didn't boo) but people making personal choices shouldn't affect those around them. Players shouldn't be picked if they aren't healthy enough to play.

Good Friday is also a day of fast and abstinence for Christians (and is one of the holiest days in the Christian calendar). No concessions are made for that.

I know plenty of people who miss games on Good Friday as the usual 3pm kick-off conflicts with the mass time. Why are we having games on holy days at all if we need to make allowances for people's religious observation?
 
Scrote said:
Good Friday is also a day of fast and abstinence for Christians (and is one of the holiest days in the Christian calendar). No concessions are made for that.

I know plenty of people who miss games on Good Friday as the usual 3pm kick-off conflicts with the mass time. Why are we having games on holy days at all if we need to make allowances for people's religious observation?
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I think this a totally different discussion and thread topic, not linked to booing of this Ramadan linked drinks break.
 
erimus86 said:
I think this a totally different discussion and thread topic, not linked to booing of this Ramadan linked drinks break.
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Enough people have pointed out that many fans didn't know what the break was actually for.

I've no idea if anyone booed because it was a Ramadan break. I didn't hear any booing in the north-west of the north stand.

I've responded to a number of the other answers which are making the point that we should be respectful of something that affects us whether we follow a particular religion or not.

There is (especially today) a massive disconnect with the Christian tradition being largely ignored by the football authorities (I was told years ago that a number of priests had complained specifically about the 3pm Good Friday kick-off).

If we make allowances for religious observance where do we stop. Can e.g. Spurs (traditionally associated with a large Jewish fanbase) be exempted from playing on the Sabbath? Why can't we have even more tolerance?

At some point we need to push personal responsibility. If you want to fast and don't think you're fit enough to play 45 minutes then you shouldn't be on the pitch.

I'm not against players taking on fluids or those energy packets they use these days. However, there are enough stoppages in a game to allow this to just happen as and when (or at worst a player can go over to the touchline to get something). Half time then gives a 15 minute break to deal with anything else that might be required.

Just an additional thought - how many muslims fasting for Ramadan played during the afternoon matches?
 
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I missed last nights game, away on me hold but I know for certain the guy next to me will have been booing and will do so against Norwich if they have a break then…

he makes more of an effort to be offended by these things than he needs to…

I’ve told him a few times, it’s easier just to live and let live. But he thinks it’s eroding his way of life 🤷🏼‍♂️
 
I think to suggest ALL those booing were racist is a little judgemental and may be in some cases unfair, it wont be that black and white. I never knew of the booing till i read about it on here. A few people around me had no idea what the break was for and why it was necessary. Someone suggested that they have natural breaks in play where trainers are on the pitch so small opportunities arise in games where if needed a player can take on fluids etc, it is all very complexed and nuanced and frankly balances have to be weighed up as I am sure they were, but the information as to why is sketchy to be fair.

If there is a medical reason why it is necessary then I fully support the break, if it means some players are disadvantaged because of religious traditions compared to others because of a particular situation I think it is only fair and reasonable that the game is made as level a playing field as possible. However that has to be balanced with the nature and purpose of the game itself.

I am sure that of those apparently booing some will have been outright racist, the majority though? I am not so sure directly, more indirectly i would suggest, mainly through lack of thought, understanding, education, knowledge and ignorance than being openly racist. Some will have been sheep and some will have just been upset at a break in play and may be embarrassed now having found out why.

I guess what I am saying is tolerance is a two way thing and it is easy to jump on a bandwagon taking the moral high ground without the actual knowledge as to why individuals do as they do. and wrongly assuming it is always the race card. I think, it says more about the state of and lack of education on the matter myself, poor social awareness and being culturally and medically ignorant than being overtly racist per se. It is as easy for the booers to be as misplaced with their booing as it is for the afronted to be wrongly judgemental as to the individual reasons surrounding it all in the first place, little in life is as black and white as we humans try to make it in order to suit our own narratives.

Peace love and harmony and if you took a drink break during the reading of this post, then I promise I will not judge you, unless you also went for a jimmy riddle too, as that then constitutes taking the p1$$.
 
On The Bob said:
Unfortunately, there were a couple behind me in the North Stand who booed at the time of the break.

At one point I looked behind me and one of the girls who sit behind said to our group, that she was disgusted at some of the racist bile coming from the row behind her. She seemed quite distressed.

One particular lad is constantly on an anger trip, I would imagine the effing C phrase is used 100+ times a game. I’m by far bothered about foul language, but the lad is a cretin. Nothing positive ever comes out of his gob.

At the Preston game he called Diaby a “black C” as he walked past our block after being sent off.

It’s got to the point now where I feel the only way forward is to report it. It’s absolutely not on.
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You definitely have to take steps to report this individual to the club as he will not stop his disgusting vile behaviour.

Hard to locate the seat when they're behind you but ,maybe have a quiet word with those in row behind you to help pinpoint.
You don't have to be confrontational as he can be reported and let stewards / club deal with it.
Possibly have a word with the senior steward in your area before game starts to give approx location and they can then observe during match.
I know the lady senior steward in blue jacket in north stand takes this very seriously, as they all probably do.

I have done this on a few occasions and then noticed stewards doing more "patrols" and observing from behind, and they might use cctv as well.
The individuals concerned then became noticeably more subdued. Two of them didn't then return at all after a few games and the other has modified his behaviour to just normal ranting.

Please please take the effort to call these people out to make the stadium a better place for all to watch football, as somebody has to.

From MFC site:
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The text will be sent to the matchday safety team who will investigate via steward intervention as well as direct or remote observation.
There are a number of other ways to report discrimination and hate crime:
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