Booing the Ramadan drinks break

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coluka said:
I think to suggest ALL those booing were racist is a little judgemental and may be in some cases unfair, it wont be that black and white. I never knew of the booing till i read about it on here. A few people around me had no idea what the break was for and why it was necessary. Someone suggested that they have natural breaks in play where trainers are on the pitch so small opportunities arise in games where if needed a player can take on fluids etc, it is all very complexed and nuanced and frankly balances have to be weighed up as I am sure they were, but the information as to why is sketchy to be fair.

If there is a medical reason why it is necessary then I fully support the break, if it means some players are disadvantaged because of religious traditions compared to others because of a particular situation I think it is only fair and reasonable that the game is made as level a playing field as possible. However that has to be balanced with the nature and purpose of the game itself.

I am sure that of those apparently booing some will have been outright racist, the majority though? I am not so sure directly, more indirectly i would suggest, mainly through lack of thought, understanding, education, knowledge and ignorance than being openly racist. Some will have been sheep and some will have just been upset at a break in play and may be embarrassed now having found out why.

I guess what I am saying is tolerance is a two way thing and it is easy to jump on a bandwagon taking the moral high ground without the actual knowledge as to why individuals do as they do. and wrongly assuming it is always the race card. I think, it says more about the state of and lack of education on the matter myself, poor social awareness and being culturally and medically ignorant than being overtly racist per se. It is as easy for the booers to be as misplaced with their booing as it is for the afronted to be wrongly judgemental as to the individual reasons surrounding it all in the first place, little in life is as black and white as we humans try to make it in order to suit our own narratives.

Peace love and harmony and if you took a drink break during the reading of this post, then I promise I will not judge you, unless you also went for a jimmy riddle too, as that then constitutes taking the p1$$.
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What a load of drivel, it’s absolutely indefensible and those who booed knew exactly what they were booing just like they do when they boo taking the knee. The club needs to act on it. The knuckle draggers will be happy to have somebody in their corner though so well done.
 
Sexpom said:
What a load of drivel, it’s absolutely indefensible and those who booed knew exactly what they were booing just like they do when they boo taking the knee. The club needs to act on it. The knuckle draggers will be happy to have somebody in their corner though so well done.
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In their corner ffs, read what i said. Whatever, you must be right about everyone and all their actions all the time, it is a great trick being inside everyones mind. The booing is clearly out of order, but being so aware of it all, as you must surely be, I assume you work for S.H.I.E.L.D. which of the Avengers are you again?
 
Am sorry Im all for calling out racism and islamaphobia when its around but last night? Most fans were unaware that it was a "ramadan drinks break" and anybody who was "booing" and it must have been a very small minority as I heard nothing, were expressing frustration that the game had stopped seemingly for a time out whilst a Burnley player was receiving some minor treatment.
 
There should be no problem with breaking the fast, in the heat they allow extra drinks breaks etc so precedents are set to allow breaks in play.

What I find a bit odd was that Burnleys players were all pouring champagne over each other at the end. Most muslims I know stay away from coming into contact with alcohol.
 
coluka said:
In their corner ffs, read what i said. Whatever, you must be right about everyone and all their actions all the time, it is a great trick being inside everyones mind. The booing is clearly out of order, but being so aware of it all, as you must surely be, I assume you work for S.H.I.E.L.D. which of the Avengers are you again?
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More guff, most fans pay attention to sky sports do they not, BBC sport? or whatever sporting news outlet they use, It has been mentioned why there will be a break numerous times, during live games etc. The bigots amongst our fanbase and there are many it seems, have no excuse not knowing what that break was for and booing it.
 
Sexpom said:
More guff, most fans pay attention to sky sports do they not, BBC sport? or whatever sporting news outlet they use, It has been mentioned why there will be a break numerous times, during live games etc. The bigots amongst our fanbase and there are many it seems, have no excuse not knowing what that break was for and booing it.
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There you go again with your assumptions. No not everyone does pay attention to Sky or BBC, not everyone has Sky for starters, there is a cost of living crisis you may have heard, grouping people under one umbrella is wrong. Quite a few round me were unaware of why there was a break happening, a few were unaware it was Ramadam and unaware of arrangements, the booing was obviously wrong, but so is assuming everyone booing was intentionally being racist.
 
Sexpom said:
More guff, most fans pay attention to sky sports do they not, BBC sport? or whatever sporting news outlet they use, It has been mentioned why there will be a break numerous times, during live games etc. The bigots amongst our fanbase and there are many it seems, have no excuse not knowing what that break was for and booing it.
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They absolutely knew what they were booing. There is zero defense of this. It made absolutely zero difference to the game and the break applied equally to both teams and all players.
 
coluka said:
There you go again with your assumptions. No not everyone does pay attention to Sky or BBC, not everyone has Sky for starters, there is a cost of living crisis you may have heard, grouping people under one umbrella is wrong. Quite a few round me were unaware of why there was a break happening, a few were unaware it was Ramadam and unaware of arrangements, the booing was obviously wrong, but so is assuming everyone booing was intentionally being racist.
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Of the people around you that didn’t know what it was, how many booed?

Same nonsense as the knee.

“It’s linked with Marxism”
“It’s an empty gesture”
“It does no good”

Nah that’s not why you’re booing mate.
 
coluka said:
There you go again with your assumptions. No not everyone does pay attention to Sky or BBC, not everyone has Sky for starters, there is a cost of living crisis you may have heard, grouping people under one umbrella is wrong. Quite a few round me were unaware of why there was a break happening, a few were unaware it was Ramadam and unaware of arrangements, the booing was obviously wrong, but so is assuming everyone booing was intentionally being racist.
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I didn’t say everyone I said most. They knew what they were booing and it’s indefensible.
 
BobendBert said:
Of the people around you that didn’t know what it was, how many booed?

Same nonsense as the knee.

“It’s linked with Marxism”
“It’s an empty gesture”
“It does no good”

Nah that’s not why you’re booing mate.
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You are out of order. I did not boo and never would, to suggest I did says a lot about you. I already said i was unaware of any booing until i read it on here. Around me was about why was there a stoppage, not about any booing of it. You need to stop being so judgemental and putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with bollox.
 
Of course these morons knew what was going on. Otherwise why just boo for a random drinks break, involving both teams. Makes no sense whatsoever.

There have been a number of posts on here explaining the reasons behind the break and it is all very reasonable. The fact that people still argue against it shows the level of ignorance on the subject.
 
Sexpom said:
I didn’t say everyone I said most. They knew what they were booing and it’s indefensible.
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And I said some of those booing would have been no doubt racist if you care to take in exactly what i said. You certainly imply and group everyone together, at least you are now implying not everyone will have been booing directly because they were racist
 
I would love to have a conversation with this mythical person that's being created that apparently does not have a racist bone in their body, has only reasonable and rational objections to so called meaningless gestures or a small water break and yet simultaneously does not have enough presence of mind to understand how their booing of things only predominantly associated with people of colour can come across as, a bit racist.
 
coluka said:
You are out of order. I did not boo and never would, to suggest I did says a lot about you. I already said i was unaware of any booing until i read it on here. Around me was about why was there a stoppage, not about any booing of it. You need to stop being so judgemental and putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with bollox.
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Read it again. I didn’t for one second suggest you booed.
 
I spent the day travelling to the game. I have been out most of this week so had no idea there was going to a break for Ramadan. And I Have Skysports.

When I saw them stop and drink I wondered why and thought something new had happened and didn’t particularly think it a good idea. Had I known obviously my puzzlement would have been non existent. And nobody around me had a clue either until half time. But booing? Didnt hear any except for one or two aiming it at the prone Burnley player at the time.
 
Scrote said:
Enough people have pointed out that many fans didn't know what the break was actually for.

I've no idea if anyone booed because it was a Ramadan break. I didn't hear any booing in the north-west of the north stand.

I've responded to a number of the other answers which are making the point that we should be respectful of something that affects us whether we follow a particular religion or not.

There is (especially today) a massive disconnect with the Christian tradition being largely ignored by the football authorities (I was told years ago that a number of priests had complained specifically about the 3pm Good Friday kick-off).

If we make allowances for religious observance where do we stop. Can e.g. Spurs (traditionally associated with a large Jewish fanbase) be exempted from playing on the Sabbath? Why can't we have even more tolerance?

At some point we need to push personal responsibility. If you want to fast and don't think you're fit enough to play 45 minutes then you shouldn't be on the pitch.

I'm not against players taking on fluids or those energy packets they use these days. However, there are enough stoppages in a game to allow this to just happen as and when (or at worst a player can go over to the touchline to get something). Half time then gives a 15 minute break to deal with anything else that might be required.

Just an additional thought - how many muslims fasting for Ramadan played during the afternoon matches?
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This was 5 after the afternoon KO so people are much longer into the fast and sunset had not long passed.

Why all the fuss about a short break. Players often go down faking a injury to break up play, that usually lasts longer and players often grab a drink, Tommy Smith has been a master at this, this season, didn't hear anyone complaining or people booing about this, which is actually a form of cheating.
 
Must say I didn't hear much booing on Sky, and I assumed the grumbling was the perceived time wasting from Burnley / frustration that we were 1 down and hadn't really started to play.

Not doubting there were some knuckle draggers specifically booing as they are racist/ignorant f*cktards, but be pretty shocked if it were an en masse racist action.
 
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