Bouncer in Middlesbrough

Scrug said:
I’ve seen another post claiming the lad the bouncer was rag-dolling had a knife on him and had been threatening people outside.

That’s the problem with social media, you never get the full picture.

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It wouldn't surprise me if this is true, as I did think surely the lad must have done something to provoke that reaction, but I still don't think it can be justified.

Give the lad a clip once he's been disarmed maybe but what the bouncer did on this occasion could have resulted in a fatality. Makes him just as bad as the lad who had the knife.
 
parmoboy said:
It wouldn't surprise me if this is true, as I did think surely the lad must have done something to provoke that reaction, but I still don't think it can be justified.

Give the lad a clip once he's been disarmed maybe but what the bouncer did on this occasion could have resulted in a fatality. Makes him just as bad as the lad who had the knife.
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We’re allowed to use reasonable force in common law and only in certain circumstances. What that bouncer did is not reasonable.

Even less reasonable when he is supposed to be a professional.
 
Mysonpat. said:
The Empire from 93-98 the lads who worked that door were hard blokes and didn’t take prisoners..Manderville, Doneathy etc…you made sure you behaved yourself.
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Marty and Rob worked on my door prior to the Empire - make today's door lads seem like ballet dancers.
 
Looks like the guy who posted it is or was a bouncer himself, so chances are he’s just speculating. As are the rest of us.

Sickening to watch either way.
 
If the lad did have a knife, then he needs severely punishing too.

But that doesn't give the bouncer an excuse to do what he did.

The lad with a knife needs heavily punishing....but that doesn't give the bouncer any defence over his actions.
 
Probably sounds harsh but If the knife thing is true then I’ve no issue with what the bouncer did. Anyone waving a knife or any weapon around with threat deserves what’s coming and is fair game for me.
 
Priv said:
Probably sounds harsh but If the knife thing is true then I’ve no issue with what the bouncer did. Anyone waving a knife or any weapon around with threat deserves what’s coming and is fair game for me.
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Yeah, that's not how the law works.

The actions the bouncer took AFTER ragging him to the floor was not "reasonable force"

The lad (even if he did have a knife) has been neutralised once on the floor. Another bouncer goes over to assist. At that point the lad should have been properly restrained until the police arrived, not dropped on his head onto the floor.
 
Priv said:
Probably sounds harsh but If the knife thing is true then I’ve no issue with what the bouncer did. Anyone waving a knife or any weapon around with threat deserves what’s coming and is fair game for me.
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There’s no visible one in this video and of course there’s no sign of anyone picking up a knife off the floor which is of course the first thing you would do if the lad dropped it. I’m not convinced, sounds like a stock excuse
 
Priv said:
Probably sounds harsh but If the knife thing is true then I’ve no issue with what the bouncer did. Anyone waving a knife or any weapon around with threat deserves what’s coming and is fair game for me.
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The person who posted about the knife on Facebook is another bouncer - probably the bouncer in the videos mate.

There was probably loads of witnesses in the queue, nobody else has mentioned a knife. It's a total made up excuse in my opinion.

"Attacking door staff who just want to go home to their families" - He's half their size, and even if he did have a knife, they're trained to deal with a situation without slamming him to the floor on his neck.
 
Mysonpat. said:
The Empire from 93-98 the lads who worked that door were hard blokes and didn’t take prisoners..Manderville, Doneathy etc…you made sure you behaved yourself.
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The bouncers of the empire when I first started going out in about 2000 were also massive bullies and were clipping young lads week in and week out, taking money off them, some dodgy behaviour with young underage lasses too, though I'm not suggesting this was the specific names you mention.

If you knew them back then, you were fine but if you didn't you were f##ked.

The premises licence has been in the Crosshairs for a long time and rightly so. Intimidation and bullying have been rife in that place and the violence from more staff pose as much risk to customers as the drugs used in the place.
 
The thing is, they only need to start on the wrong person, you may have seen ‘in the force’ programme last night, Middlesbrough has very high incidents of gun crime, and some of these youngsters seem fearless to consequence and unafraid to pull the trigger, a bouncer can’t fight someone with a gun stood a few feet away.
 
That was the case in Birmingham in the mid-80s ... and it's what prompted my retirement from door work.
 
The Empire only just got its license back after the last incidents so they were already skating on thin ice and one of the points to correct was the bad door staff

I can see them getting closed down for this and rightly so.
 
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