Bulldozing Stockton High Street

Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
No, they need to eradicate 'low level' by levelling wealth, not trying to hide the product of our ridiculous society so that we can pretend it doesn't exist.

The private sector has allowed that housing to become what it is. They should be ordered to fix the problem or forfeit their properties.
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Piccadilly Day Tripper said:
I'm all for it. As someone who was born and bred in Norton, a lot of my childhood and early nights out were in Stockton and it was always in need of a new broom. I've been really impressed how Norton has reinvented itself away from the dark and dodgy pubs to a fun night out in recent years and whenever I am back in the north east for things other than family and boro matches we always seem to end up down in the Dragons Yard. I think this plan shows what is possible if banks take a chance on people with ideas like some of the bars in Norton and places like The Georgian in Stockton. They have had to prove that these bigger plans are viable. Hard to believe that in a decade or so from now Stockton could be a bit of a destination for a night out that doesn't involve **** pints, avoiding the punches, and eating a pizza in the taxi queue (though there's nowt wrong with that every now and then).
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Stockton is a great night out and has been for a while, you've evidently not been for a while so lets not make sweeping generalisations. You wax lyrical about Norton yet I used to frequent both and Stockton offers a lot more, I'd dare say your comment is more fitting of Norton than Stockton given the nights out I had pre-covid.
 
joeydiaz said:
Stockton is a great night out and has been for a while, you've evidently not been for a while so lets not make sweeping generalisations. You wax lyrical about Norton yet I used to frequent both and Stockton offers a lot more, I'd dare say your comment is more fitting of Norton than Stockton given the nights out I had pre-covid.
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I'm not surprised, it's the life some have grown into due to our ridiculous economic policies. It was forecast to happen in the 70's by the loony left.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
I'm not surprised, it's the life some have grown into due to our ridiculous economic policies. It was forecast to happen in the 70's by the loony left.
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Corcaigh it’s gone on forever as even Jesus flipped in the money lenders market . It’s not going to ever change
 
Bit of an emotive headline, "bulldoze the high street", but the plans are very ambitious and I hope the council can make them happen.

On the other issue, i saw today that the top 15 headge fund mangers have earned around £1.5bn each last year. The gap between the richest and poorest in society is a vulgar embarrassment to the human race, something needs to change.
 
Not sure how you can level the wealth of people around the high street, I used to live about 5 streets away from the high street and it’s a few owner occupiers but mostly renters and lot of scumbags, you couldn’t have anything. You can’t seriously believe that bagheads with the right support are going to start making good incomes and become conscientious home owners that are a credit to the area? They literally steal your plant pots 😂 a trip down Hartington road shows how bad it is. Once those would have been expensive houses as they’re huge but now they’re all bedsits and people congregate in the street. You’ll have a job getting them to level their wealth.

How does that work anyway? When you have people with no income or qualifications and addictions at play, is there a proposal on how we get them into society as contributors?
 
I can definitely very behind that, but as you say way too long term a solution. Need to stop concentrating these people together but then people in nice areas don’t want prolific thieves and drug users in their back yard so a bit of a catch 22
 
It doesn’t look bold enough, looking at that picture they could do with pedestrianising at least that section of the high street so that it all flows down to the river. A project like that also cries out for joined up thinking and maybe a Greater Teesside Authority as it would be a shame to have all that money and effort spoilt by whatever cr@p ( see the building there now) they build on the opposite bank.
 
TheFair86 said:
Not sure how you can level the wealth of people around the high street, I used to live about 5 streets away from the high street and it’s a few owner occupiers but mostly renters and lot of scumbags, you couldn’t have anything. You can’t seriously believe that bagheads with the right support are going to start making good incomes and become conscientious home owners that are a credit to the area? They literally steal your plant pots 😂 a trip down Hartington road shows how bad it is. Once those would have been expensive houses as they’re huge but now they’re all bedsits and people congregate in the street. You’ll have a job getting them to level their wealth.

How does that work anyway? When you have people with no income or qualifications and addictions at play, is there a proposal on how we get them into society as contributors?
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Decent housing at one time, the property marketeers ruined the place and lumbered the problems on to everybody else. It was a long time ago, but that's what happened.
 
Humpty said:
Did you not visit Prince Regent Street before the pandemic? The place is/was awash with microbreweries, independent bars and live music. Really good night out down there.
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Oh yeah totally agree! The little corner around Dovecot Street and the Arc is fine. And those venues did attract some cracking on-the-up bands too.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
Decent housing at one time, the property marketeers ruined the place and lumbered the problems on to everybody else. It was a long time ago, but that's what happened.
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It still is decent housing really. These would all be great starter homes for people with some investment to modernise. I feel like landlords that don’t card about the properties condition nor the tenants are to blame because they’re often uncontactable and even if you can they’re not that bothered

Police and councils powers are also limited, it took months to get two drug selling prostitutes out of our old road and they were getting their door kicked in by police every other week.

When they finally got out, they rented a new place 5 streets away and the process began anew

Property prices in these areas were fine and rising well in the times before 2007 financial crash however they never recovered. We took a 20k hit on our purchase price to get out and it’s a shame because in a street with 30 odd houses, there was a core of maybe 8 houses owner occupied and made an effort with each other, nice gardens etc but the rest just didn’t care and were basically trapped by their age as can’t get mortgages elsewhere - we were the youngest at 38

Prices even worse there now, I see a lot on rightmove coming up at 30-40k in a complete state, no ones buying that excerpt “investors” and the cycle continues.

With HTB etc people would much rather buy a new build in a nice area than take a chance on a run down house in a rough area where property prices are falling
 
joeydiaz said:
Stockton is a great night out and has been for a while, you've evidently not been for a while so lets not make sweeping generalisations. You wax lyrical about Norton yet I used to frequent both and Stockton offers a lot more, I'd dare say your comment is more fitting of Norton than Stockton given the nights out I had pre-covid.
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I don't know why your reply is so prickly? I've said I'm all for it because there's been little signs here and there such as the Georgian that shows that it can work. All credit to the people who have made a revival in Stockton happen. It looks like enough people have shown it works and now investment will follow. I wasn't having a dig
 
One major issue with this plan is that in order to open out and use the Riverside setting, which in my opinion is absolutely the right thing to do, it must remove the busy ring road in order for it to be safe and give new buildings maximum space. There is no way a park can be built with a busy road right through it. The Riverside setting should be used like foreign cities with many restaurants along the front (not bars as the river will then be overflowing with empty bottles and plastic glasses.
 
NortonExile said:
One major issue with this plan is that in order to open out and use the Riverside setting, which in my opinion is absolutely the right thing to do, it must remove the busy ring road in order for it to be safe and give new buildings maximum space. There is no way a park can be built with a busy road right through it. The Riverside setting should be used like foreign cities with many restaurants along the front (not bars as the river will then be overflowing with empty bottles and plastic glasses.
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Hard to see properly but it looks like the Road is covered/bridged over at its nearest point to the new grassed area and he existing road is set back from everything else at other points?
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