ThePrisoner
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I'd have been disappointed if you didn't. Looks to be the most absurd, pointless vehicle ever made. I'm pretty sure it was designed by Homer Simpson.Ha. I have one on order.
I'd have been disappointed if you didn't. Looks to be the most absurd, pointless vehicle ever made. I'm pretty sure it was designed by Homer Simpson.Ha. I have one on order.
Again you're getting SUV confused with AWD aren't you? I see this a lot. People thinking having a tall car means it's an off roader. I've had plenty of saloons with good towing capapcity
No I think the spray thing is a desperate reason. Especially as the above mentioned dynamic flaws make driving in the rain worse.Ok, so you accept my other reasons. Good. Being a little higher reduces the amount of spray and associated crap that gets onto the windscreen. It helps me to see better, especially at night (and no, I don’t need a sight test).
As for being flawed, perhaps ‘sub-optimal’ might be a more accurate adjective? And even that depends on what you want to do with the car. Personally, I drive in a very sensible manner, so being 160mm taller than the nearest equivalent estate isn’t an issue for me.
Thanks. Yeah it was a refundable deposit but it's clear they will never come to the UK.I'd have been disappointed if you didn't. Looks to be the most absurd, pointless vehicle ever made. I'm pretty sure it was designed by Homer Simpson.
I don’t know why? Surely engine and drivetrain dictate how good a car is at towing? Not it's heightNo I’m not, you generally cant get an suv that can tow 2.2 tonne plus unless it’s AWD or 4x4.
The towing capacity on an awd saloon usually isn’t good enough to tow 2 horses. They usually max out around 2 tonne but many are lower.
I have one because I like it.
The agenda that people seem to have against them is misguided.
The equivalent saloon version of mine, weighs roughly the same, has the same dimensions barring height and has roughly the same economy figures.
In the eyes of the media one is evil and one is ok.
Ok fine ST. You know how I see better than I do (other half has a little sports car and I can see the difference). The car handles beautifully in the wet. I don’t need a justification for the vehicle I have, just sharing some observations, but I’m afraid you’ve decided to become both personal and unnecessarily aggressive. Not for the first time. Shame.No I think the spray thing is a desperate reason. Especially as the above mentioned dynamic flaws make driving in the rain worse.
It did seem a desperate reason if I’m honest. Especially given the driving dynamics which, of course, make handling worse in the wet. Also, is a bit cheeky to use the passive aggressive “I drive in a sensible manner” and then complain about me being personal. But let’s let that one slide.Ok fine ST. You know how I see better than I do (other half has a little sports car and I can see the difference). The car handles beautifully in the wet. I don’t need a justification for the vehicle I have, just sharing some observations, but I’m afraid you’ve decided to become both personal and unnecessarily aggressive. Not for the first time. Shame.
How do you know where to go when some knobhead has Tippexed all the road signs?I have one because I have to drive across roads like this to get to my daughters school and where our horses are kept.
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Ok. I didn’t mean to be ‘passive aggressive’, in that statement; if I were I apologise. Simply wanted to make the point that a minor impact on the handling wouldn’t affect me as I’m (now!) a pretty cautious driver.It did seem a desperate reason if I’m honest. Especially given the driving dynamics which, of course, make handling worse in the wet. Also, is a bit cheeky to use the passive aggressive “I drive in a sensible manner” and then complain about me being personal. But let’s let that one slide.
Fair enough. I just worry that suv give the illusion of safety rather than safety itself.Ok. I didn’t mean to be ‘passive aggressive’, in that statement; if I were I apologise. Simply wanted to make the point that a minor impact on the handling wouldn’t affect me as I’m (now!) a pretty cautious driver.
How do you know where to go when some knobhead has Tippexed all the road signs?
God knows but options are very limited when it comes to being able to tow 2 horses. The wife needs a new car and she wants a towing capacity of at least 2.2 tonnes in case her horse box breaks and takes ages to be fixed (it’s happened before), she did have a pick up truck but the chassis snapped on it so shes been borrowing a friends car for the last couple of months who lives abroad half the year but they are due back in Feb. Without having my pants pulled down on MPG and Tax I’m probably going to buy a Tiguan 2.0 diesel 4 motion for her as they can tow 2.2 or may go with a Volvo XC90 which is 2.4 but is high tax. She’d prefer a shogun or another pick up but when they go wrong cost a fortune to repair.I don’t know why? Surely engine and drivetrain dictate how good a car is at towing? Not it's height
Because it makes no sense to me really. I can see fine from a saloon car as can most people. The only decent argument I've seen on this thread for a high driving position is if you very specifically drive on country lanes with hedges of a certain height. Other than that it's a strange argumentHow could anyone argue with the concept of a higher driving position? I'm 6ft 1 and my wife is 5ft 6. Having a height advantage when walking through crowds means I can see ahead and make my way through a crowd far easier than she can. It's really no different when driving. Approaching traffic, junctions, roundabouts in a raised seating position gives you better visibility. Yes, you could argue that a lower position is better for things like racing but most people aren't racing their cars and would rather see things more clearly than be more aerodynamic.
You don't need an SUV for towing or driving off-road. In fact my SUV is rear wheel drive so is probably useless off-road.
I have an SUV for several reasons. Boot is big. Raised seating position gives better visibility. It's more comfortable getting kids in and out of car seats without having to bend right down. Mainly it is a comfortable car and it was good value (there weren't many electric non-SUVS that were worth it anyway).
They fall into the commercial vehicle for company tax purposes so can be cheaper to own.See also massive ******* pick-up trucks driven by people who live in towns and don't work on farms, etc. Why? I had a pick up or SUV behind me (in my Golf) last night for a few miles and his LED headlights were blinding me in my wing mirrors and even my rear view on night setting was struggling.
Not sure I get the reasoning behind height too, I don’t see how a higher driving position helps when you are behind a bus, articulated truck or Luton type van for example. If height removes risk I don’t see why wagon drivers have accidents if they’re higher seated than SUV drivers. I don’t see how a high seating position helps see cars or cyclists coming in country lanes if those vehicles are lower than the hedges.Because it makes no sense to me really. I can see fine from a saloon car as can most people. The only decent argument I've seen on this thread for a high driving position is if you very specifically drive on country lanes with hedges of a certain height. Other than that it's a strange argument
Have you ever driven a higher seated vehicle like a Landrover Defender on country lanes ? Probably not. Over many years I have driven 5 Defenders numerous Golf GTI's and a few low sports cars. The Defenders give better forward vision on country lanes than any of the low alternatives. You are obviously not going to see everything but you see vastly more than a normal car.Not sure I get the reasoning behind height too, I don’t see how a higher driving position helps when you are behind a bus, articulated truck or Luton type van for example. If height removes risk I don’t see why wagon drivers have accidents if they’re higher seated than SUV drivers. I don’t see how a high seating position helps see cars or cyclists coming in country lanes if those vehicles are lower than the hedges.
Surely that worse to have false confidence that nothing is coming?