Glover_elbow
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We played a pub team yesterday
No experienced CBs, injury prone FBs, no quality holding midfielder, 1 CF.
Hers a few facts:
Most competitive England manager wins:
1 - Southgate 37 wins
2 - Eriksson 26
3 - Robson 22
Most competitive Goals:
1 - Southgate 144
2 - Robson 90
3 - Winterbottom 75
Most finals wins:
1 - Southgate 11
2 - Ramsey 8
3 - Eriksson 7
Most finals goals:
1 - Southgate 36
2 - Eriksson 22
3 - Winterbottom 19
Hit me with a question, if you want to know the facts around how badly southgate is losing...
I'm really not sure about that. Comparatively speaking of course (no point comparing eras) that 2006-2010 side had a number of players who'd won several PL titles, the CL, won individual honours like European Player of the Year and silver/bronze in the ballon d'Or and a couple who played for Real Madrid in the galacticos era.
I think its a stretch to say the current crop is the best XI in world football. Most of them haven't won a thing yet (other than the City players), its all potential. I'd be surprised if Eddie Howe or someone made them any better than they are.
Well I think you've sort of answered the question with a question.Name a better team on paper in world football and or a better 23.
No-one has a team to respond with outside of possibly France.
Glad you are on board that Southgate is a successUntil we win a match against a big team with a better tournament history than us in a knockout stage match at either at World Cup or Euros he will not be considered a success
Well I think you've sort of answered the question with a question.
I don't think there are many 'better' XIs out there, the England side is probably one of 4 or 5 who are all of a similar standard in my opinion, but I wouldn't say it is above the rest and should expect to win tournaments per se.
Glad you are on board that Southgate is a success
That wasn't the question. "better tournament history than us in a knockout stage match at either at World Cup or Euros"
So silly Marty, Germany were dump in 21' and they're dump now.
the majority of other what? people? I'm really not sure about that mate.Souness and the team disagree and so do I and the majority of others.
That wasn't the question. "better tournament history than us in a knockout stage match at either at World Cup or Euros"
If the retort will always be 'yeah but they were rubbish at that time' (BECAUSE England beat them) then he cannot win.
Argentina lost to Saudi Arabia.Japan beat them 4-1 last week but I'll give you in terms of the specific way the question was asked you're right.
Errr, Ecuador, Belgium, Cameroon, Denmark, Colombia, Sweden, Senegal......We are still yet to beat a 'big team' in a KO match of a major tournament outside of England.....ever
We had renowned world class coaches with Eriksson and Capello and they did diddly squat with better players. He get's completely unwarranted abuse from people and yet for the first time in my life we're serious contenders for every tournament we enter and have started bringing through young players with previously unseen levels of technical ability.
As mentioned above, be careful what you wish for. Let's not forget the previous manager the FA had the wisdom to appoint was Fat Sam!
No experienced CBs, injury prone FBs, no quality holding midfielder, 1 CF.
Hers a few facts:
Most competitive England manager wins:
1 - Southgate 37 wins
2 - Eriksson 26
3 - Robson 22
Most competitive Goals:
1 - Southgate 144
2 - Robson 90
3 - Winterbottom 75
Most finals wins:
1 - Southgate 11
2 - Ramsey 8
3 - Eriksson 7
Most finals goals:
1 - Southgate 36
2 - Eriksson 22
3 - Winterbottom 19
Hit me with a question, if you want to know the facts around how badly southgate is losing...
That's always the case, because he's English and like it or not, the PL clubs (and most fans) hate English managers. His predecessors were Allardyce, Hodgson, (Capello) and McClaren. Those 3 were never wanted by any of the big PL clubs either (Hodgson had a disastrous spell at Liverpool and was loathed, Allardyce was loathed at Everton and McClaren at Newcastle).We've got a group of top class players, managed by a bloke who most of the Premier League clubs wouldn't employ as their manager.
Here is an actual mind-blowing stat. England have won just one European Championship knockout match in their history (outside of England). The 4-0 win in Rome over Ukraine under Southgate.
I would expect us to add to this next summer.
Ok, so we've won 1 out of 7. It's still not a great achievement.We beat Spain 3-1 on aggregate in the quarter-finals and the Soviet Union 2-0 in the third place play-off in 1968.
A big part of that stat is because we've not actually played many knock-out matches.
We've only played 12, including that third place match, and 5 of them were in England.
We have experienced CBs. John Stones has won 5 PL titles, a champions league and everything else with City. Maguire is rubbish at the moment but he's definitely experienced. Walker has played CB plenty of times and won everything there is to win. Tomori is a Serie A winner, Dunk has played hundreds of PL matches.No experienced CBs, injury prone FBs, no quality holding midfielder, 1 CF.