Concerned for the Arts

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SNICKERED

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Maybe not to high on many people's agenda but I think the creativity of the UK is being taken for granted and abused,see link.
My son does photography and visual art work for fashion/music magazines,videos etc. Everything from creating the concept,design, to providing the technologies and the production including editing.
He'll end up with £80 for a day's work, with the hope it will give him exposure on social media.....the promise of bigger and better things. He loves his work and is incredibly skilled and I am proud of him but I fear he's also been screwed by big corporations, fear for his career and for the creative industries.

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Strictly dropped us after we asked to be paid, say musicians

Band say they were offered a free lunch and ‘screen time’ for appearing on BBC’s spinoff It Takes Two
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SNICKERED said:
Maybe not to high on many people's agenda but I think the creativity of the UK is being taken for granted and abused,see link.
My son does photography and visual art work for fashion/music magazines,videos etc. Everything from creating the concept,design, to providing the technologies and the production including editing.
He'll end up with £80 for a day's work, with the hope it will give him exposure on social media.....the promise of bigger and better things. He loves his work and is incredibly skilled and I am proud of him but I fear he's also been screwed by big corporations, fear for his career and for the creative industries.

www.theguardian.com

Strictly dropped us after we asked to be paid, say musicians

Band say they were offered a free lunch and ‘screen time’ for appearing on BBC’s spinoff It Takes Two
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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This government have completely dismissed our creative industries, 'get a real job' seems to be the party line.

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SNICKERED said:
Maybe not to high on many people's agenda but I think the creativity of the UK is being taken for granted and abused,see link.
My son does photography and visual art work for fashion/music magazines,videos etc. Everything from creating the concept,design, to providing the technologies and the production including editing.
He'll end up with £80 for a day's work, with the hope it will give him exposure on social media.....the promise of bigger and better things. He loves his work and is incredibly skilled and I am proud of him but I fear he's also been screwed by big corporations, fear for his career and for the creative industries.

www.theguardian.com

Strictly dropped us after we asked to be paid, say musicians

Band say they were offered a free lunch and ‘screen time’ for appearing on BBC’s spinoff It Takes Two
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Sounds little different to most sectors. Exploitation of the workforce has been a resounding success for as long as I can remember. Trade unions battle hard against it and are constantly criticised by the propaganda magnates for their efforts, and as we know, it works.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
Sounds little different to most sectors. Exploitation of the workforce has been a resounding success for as long as I can remember. Trade unions battle hard against it and are constantly criticised by the propaganda magnates for their efforts, and as we know, it works.
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It's still quite different from other sectors IMHO.

You wouldn't ask a plumber to do a job for free "for the exposure" yet creatives are constantly asked to do stuff that is their day job, for less than the going rate, like in the example above. Strictly has huge budgets to pay for the celebs and presenters, yet can't even compensate the band at agreed musician union rates.
 
You get very talented artist, but now everybody and his dog can pick up a camera or a few things to create art.
Thats why its become cheap, a little bit like Multi Media Journalism theres that many doing it the pays tripe.
Only MSM photographers and people whose company create a myth surrounding their work will get the big pay days.

Music, there is very little real talent both sides of the Atlantic out there now, lets say in comparison to the the decades from the 50s to the 90s imho of course. Probably because you can knock a lot of stuff up on computer and have everyone dancing away and there is a public wanting this.

How many working bands are about that over time develop a new scene and music?

How many artist develop and start a new scene and movement?
 
Technological advances have narrowed the skill gap between professionals and decent amateurs. Anecdotal evidence for sure, but how many people ask a keen amateur to do their wedding photos/videos these days as pay a few hundred quid as opposed to thousands?
 
What happened to the £1.5bn package the arts and culture industry received, or did they not get it?
 
ticker_tape said:
Music, there is very little real talent both sides of the Atlantic out there now, lets say in comparison to the the decades from the 50s to the 90s imho of course. Probably because you can knock a lot of stuff up on computer and have everyone dancing away and there is a public wanting this.

How many working bands are about that over time develop a new scene and music?

How many artist develop and start a new scene and movement?
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I'm guessing you mean, "there's little modern music that I personally like".

There's loads of talent, and scenes that have developed since the 90's, some of which have gone on to mainstream successes, others not, but they're equally as talented.

It's just that you're not seeking them out or they're not your taste.
 
TommyPlus said:
Technological advances have narrowed the skill gap between professionals and decent amateurs. Anecdotal evidence for sure, but how many people ask a keen amateur to do their wedding photos/videos these days as pay a few hundred quid as opposed to thousands?
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yep, and how many regret it afterwards (Most I'm guessing).
 
ticker_tape said:
Music, there is very little real talent both sides of the Atlantic out there now, lets say in comparison to the the decades from the 50s to the 90s imho of course. Probably because you can knock a lot of stuff up on computer and have everyone dancing away and there is a public wanting this.
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That's literally how much of the dance music that defined the 90's started - people with "computers" knocking a load of iconic timeless music up.
 
The_Lizards_Jumpers said:
yep, and how many regret it afterwards (Most I'm guessing).
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Some I suppose, I wouldn't say most.
With regards to the OP, anyone accepting exposure as a form of payment is digging their own grave. Market forces always dictate the going rate. It's a stinking situation I agree because there is likely someone else to step in and take the job but if he really believes in his own ability then he must stay true to that and decline offers he deems unsuitable.
 
Wilf said:
The best 'art' comes from 'hard times'.

an inquisitive, thoughtful mind will always find their 'art'.
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does it though? who is it that says the best art comes from hard times? what art are they referring to?

Michelangelo, Da Vinci, Mozart, Beethoven.. bet they weren't short of a bob or two. What do we have now, a carrier bag nailed to a wall, some doyle in a tracksuit shouting at the moon.
 
The_Lizards_Jumpers said:
That's literally how much of the dance music that defined the 90's started - people with "computers" knocking a load of iconic timeless music up.
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True and for it to become something to make money at you have to have a public wanting it. I must admit I`m old school when it comes to talent in playing instruments when creating music, just my generation I suppose.
 
Wilf said:
The best 'art' comes from 'hard times'.

an inquisitive, thoughtful mind will always find their 'art'.
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It's that poisonous narrative that says 'THIS COUNTRY IS AT IT'S BEST WHEN THE CHIPS ARE DOWN'
REMEMBER THE WAR?
WE ALL CHIPPED IN AND BEAT HITLER
THE GOOD OLD DAYS
WE SHOULD GET BACK TO THOSES DAYS
KIDS IN THE STREET PLAYING WITH STICKS
YOU WERE THANKFUL FOR A SLICE OF BREAD

This romanticized view of poverty.. spouted out by a bunk of rich pricks who are filling their pockets with public money, driving hard working folks into poverty and worse still.. making them clap for it.

The best nurses are the ones with the least amount of sleep, the ones with the most worries about paying for the bills.
Working for less money makes the rewards even greater.
A loaf of bread is like a bad of jewels to the working man.. the real working man.. the one who works 15 hours for buttons
Hungry kids, with overworked parents who struggle to make ends meet.. well they have more incentive then the rest to learn.
Be proud to be poor, work harder for less, give tax payers money to the rich rather than the poor.
 
I'm guessing you mean, "there's little modern music that I personally like".

Yeah I keep looking and listening, I think I set my stall out for something that will immediately register, but I get dont much luck. Probably me, but it could be the way music is listened to, bought or marketed now thats now left me behind.
 
The Arts are in a horrible situation and I feel for anyone who relies on that sector for their livelihood, it’s quite hard as it is yet alone with the current situation.

It’s difficult to justify pouring money into the arts when their are on the face of it higher priorities. Going to the theatre is a luxury and let’s be honest the gvt can’t save everyone. I just find they are in a really bad situation and don’t know the solution. Hopefully if they can earn a living for the next x months and as society returns their industry will again thrive!
 
FatCat said:
The Arts are in a horrible situation and I feel for anyone who relies on that sector for their livelihood, it’s quite hard as it is yet alone with the current situation.

It’s difficult to justify pouring money into the arts when their are on the face of it higher priorities. Going to the theatre is a luxury and let’s be honest the gvt can’t save everyone. I just find they are in a really bad situation and don’t know the solution. Hopefully if they can earn a living for the next x months and as society returns their industry will again thrive!
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Not so sure it's about the current situation more about where we are going.Far too many of us take it for granted as if it will always be there. Believing that due to its necessity and accessibility, it always will.
Unfortunatly due to easy access, streaming etc it's been down graded,exploited and abused by us and the corporate giants .
Surely if we have learned anything after Covid it's what's important and gives meaning and enrichment to our lives It should be given the respect it so deserves.Its should be rewarded with a decent payment
 
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