Congratulations to The Portugal Socialist's on their General Election victory.

Hang on, some socialism is good, does anybody truly want a full on socialist party to run the country, tories out, for sure, but full scale socialism???
 
Warwickboro said:
Hang on, some socialism is good, does anybody truly want a full on socialist party to run the country, tories out, for sure, but full scale socialism???
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I don't know what the Portugese Socialists manifesto is. All I know (or at least understand) is that they do not have the Portugese equivalent of the Tories in power. That is good enough for me.
I believe that public services should be owned by the public and be not for profit . My definition of public services is defence, power, water, mail, medical care, justice, ( police, prisons, detention centres, probation services, judges), social services, railways, roads, libraries, education, (abolish public schools, or at least remove their charitable status) , environmental protection, and strategic industries such as steel. If that is socialism then count me in.
 
Agree with Trug about taking utilities and services back from fat cats pockets.
I’d Nationalize the lot. Why not, we have brexit.
ive always thought I was abit communist in my views but socialism would work for me
 
I just want the tories out, but full scale socialism seems a bit extreme, for me left leaning without the extremes would be great to see, hopefully the Portuguese have got a progressive left thinking government that still have the overall economy on mind, i agree on energy being nationalised and potentially rail, I wouldn't want to see to much being nationalised as that would lead to constant strikes etc and a complete union racket job which plagued us in the 70s, something g to the left but not extreme left would be lovely.
 
Warwickboro said:
I just want the tories out, but full scale socialism seems a bit extreme, for me left leaning without the extremes would be great to see, hopefully the Portuguese have got a progressive left thinking government that still have the overall economy on mind, i agree on energy being nationalised and potentially rail, I wouldn't want to see to much being nationalised as that would lead to constant strikes etc and a complete union racket job which plagued us in the 70s, something g to the left but not extreme left would be lovely.
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The thing is Warwick, what I have described is not full scale socialism, at least that is my opinion. Left leaning and progressive yes but not outright socialism.
My daughter and her partner live in Whitby. They rent a house privately. The land lady gave them assurances that their tenancy was safe. On the back of this my daughter and her partner then fitted the house out with new flooring and carpets. One month later (last week) they were given 8 weeks notice as the landlady has decided to sell the house.
So, I would like to see protections brought into place for tenants so that this could not happen. Is that socialism? Or is that the namby pamby state interfering with private business?
 
Warwickboro said:
I just want the tories out, but full scale socialism seems a bit extreme, for me left leaning without the extremes would be great to see, hopefully the Portuguese have got a progressive left thinking government that still have the overall economy on mind, i agree on energy being nationalised and potentially rail, I wouldn't want to see to much being nationalised as that would lead to constant strikes etc and a complete union racket job which plagued us in the 70s, something g to the left but not extreme left would be lovely.
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Ah yes, the 1970's, when the gap between rich and poor was the narrowest it's ever been. Don't want any of that commie muck anymore.
 
Warwickboro said:
Hang on, some socialism is good, does anybody truly want a full on socialist party to run the country, tories out, for sure, but full scale socialism???
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Yes please, it doesn't have to be the State Capitalism models that socialists are tarred with.

Not a single Tory would see the country make enormous forward strides.

Oh, and if you haven't worked it out yet, had we a decent socialist government in the 70s we wouldn't have seen industrial action on that scale, nor the rape if the nation we've seen since.
 
gregorgregorovich said:
Ah yes, the 1970's, when the gap between rich and poor was the narrowest it's ever been. Don't want any of that commie muck anymore.
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Well that isn't true lol, you guys are so OTT with this, i would like to see a left thinking party, without going full tilt to socialism, that is not a crazy thought is it?
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
Yes please, it doesn't have to be the State Capitalism models that socialists are tarred with.

Not a single Tory would see the country make enormous forward strides.
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I really like some of the ideas, I just don't want a country where the majority of the population works for the state, thats not a safe balance to have. Out with the tories, in with something a tad more left thinking. This is just an opinion, why do you guys get so hateful towards anything other than a person who wants full on socialism? It may be that the Portuguese govt are the best bits of socialism without some of the nutty bits which would be great, its my opinion that we don't have to replace the tories with something as fringe left as humanly possible, they need replacing urgently and I agree, is that a terrible thought?
 
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