Coventry v Man Utd

[Rofesleg]

I must be imagining the days when marginal offside decisions were analysed to death and complained about, given or otherwise.

Oh, it still happens in leagues without VAR.

Of course they did. But as I said, not in situations like this one.
It would only have been complained about if the ref assistant flagged it offside. The replays would conclude the players were level. Nobody would measure the players' feet.

 

[BoroMart]

This would have been complained about 5 years ago, 10 years ago and 20 years ago.

It's like some kind of weird re-imagining of history, where no one complained about decisions before VAR. We have VAR because of the complaining.

Exactly that, it would absolutely have been complained about….and rightly so I might add because Man Utd would have been robbed

 

[BoroMart]

Of course they did. But as I said, not in situations like this one.
It would only have been complained about if the ref assistant flagged it offside. The replays would conclude the players were level. Nobody would measure the players' feet.

i can’t remember when the clarification about part of the body that can score was made, but I believe it was always the case. It became necessary to clarify as the game got brllgreater wxposure, better quality tv images and endless replays of offside incidents followed by pundits going apoplectic at referees sometimes rightly other times with out actually understanding the rules.

Fact is there has always been a border where one side it’s on and one side it’s off, so these arguments have always existed. They’ve always been a massive bone of contention, but with some basic knowledge and the right tools shouldn’t be. Now we can accurately check them.

Complain about handballs in var but offset is as accurate and correct as it can be.

 

[Chris_Boro]

Of course they did. But as I said, not in situations like this one.
It would only have been complained about if the ref assistant flagged it offside. The replays would conclude the players were level. Nobody would measure the players' feet.

It happened and happens all the time. I must be going mad.

 

[Rofesleg]

It happened and happens all the time. I must be going mad.

Again, this would only have been complained about 5 yrs ago if it was ruled offside. The TV still frames would show the players level. Without the VAR lines nobody would discuss the length of a toe being offside.

 

[GibbosEmpire]

Really didn't like Antony cupping his ears to Cov fans after the game, while Maguire went over to the Cov players and shook their hands. He played absolutely awful too, I don't know why he still continues to get a game for them.

 

[BoroMart]

Again, this would only have been complained about 5 yrs ago if it was ruled offside. The TV still frames would show the players level. Without the VAR lines nobody would discuss the length of a toe being offside.

I don’t agree as a toe was offside 5 years ago too

 

[Cardiffdaffs]

Watching the game yesterday it was evidently clear to me that United have no bottle. They have individual players who can on their day win any game but as a team they are a shambles. Yes the manager has to go if they want to progress but there are some bad individual attitudes in there and absolutely no leader. But frankly we don’t care one jot.

 

[Rofesleg]

I don’t agree as a toe was offside 5 years ago too

I know, but without the precision of VAR analysis I very much doubt it would have been picked up on TV.
I actually think VAR could and should be a good thing, and very often is. But the clamour for its introduction wasn't because of offsides like this one being missed.

 

[Muttley]

I don’t agree as a toe was offside 5 years ago too

Entertainment, excitement, romance, drama, passion

No, get rid of all that nonsense, after every period of play we will check and correct any and all officiating errors and adjust the scoreline or order a reset as appropriate. It may take a little longer (no more than half an hour probably) but we will make sure that every decision is correct as that is more important than delivering pleasure to the people in the stadium.

 

[BoroMart]

Entertainment, excitement, romance, drama, passion

No, get rid of all that nonsense, after every period of play we will check and correct any and all officiating errors and adjust the scoreline or order a reset as appropriate. It may take a little longer (no more than half an hour probably) but we will make sure that every decision is correct as that is more important than delivering pleasure to the people in the stadium.

well that's a different argument, and I think the way they have implemented VAR isn't great. The process and procedures needs tightening, the use of automation and AI should be researched to speed up the decision with maybe a human reviewer. If I had been running the project to introduce VAR, I would have staggered the approach. Firstly only applying to offsides, which are not a matter of opinion but of fact, similar to the goal line technology discussion.

Once that was working, and working with a verifiable accuracy of 99.95%, I would then look to automate (don't automate bad, otherwise you make errors quicker!). Then apply to "was this foul in the box or out the box".....and stray away from was it actually a foul.

The more subjective decisions should have only been considered and under what circumstances that could be used should have been years after the objective, fact based decisions were supported by VAR. This is a procedural and implementation failure that has brought the heat on VAR.

VAR would have been a 10 year programme, and like with many other technologies, should have been trialed at a lower level first to stress test and iron out the bugs without having a 100billion pound industry put at risk.

 

[LaPennaBianca]

Entertainment, excitement, romance, drama, passion

The best world cup final in living memory came in the VAR era, so to pretend it's taking these things from the game is just hyperbolic.

The Coventry fans had their joy and then it was taken away from them - you could argue that heightened the drama. I wouldn't, but let's not misrepresent what others are saying.

 

[Muttley]

The best world cup final in living memory came in the VAR era, so to pretend it's taking these things from the game is just hyperbolic.

To pretend that VAR is not removing these things from the experience of watching football "live" in a stadium/ground is abject denial.

 

[Nano]

How can people say VAR isn't entertaining and yet are still talking in a 200+ comment thread while simultaneously talking in another 350+ comment thread about an incident that didn't involve their own team in a competition their own team is no longer involved in?

 

[LaPennaBianca]

To pretend that VAR is not removing these things from the experience of watching football "live" in a stadium/ground is abject denial.

To pretend that it is eliminating them is hyperbole.

You have a point about its implementation making the match going experience worse. You're overplaying your hand by arguing that VAR is removing the drama from football, as it plainly isn't. We're still talking about the event. We all were shocked when the Cov goal went in and then were shocked when it transpired it was offside.

 

[indeedido]

How can people say VAR isn't entertaining and yet are still talking in a 200+ comment thread while simultaneously talking in another 350+ comment thread about an incident that didn't involve their own team in a competition their own team is no longer involved in?

Quite an odd interpretation of "entertaining".

 

[Marineboysmoggy]

What I dont get is when you have a premiership team and championship team(or others) meeting like this VAR is only in premier .This to me means its not a level playing field.

 

[Nano]

Quite an odd interpretation of "entertaining".

Entertain: to keep a group of people interested or enjoying themselves.

I'd say it is keeping people interested. The "or" means you don't have to enjoy to it to be entertained by it.

 

[B_G]

How can people say VAR isn't entertaining and yet are still talking in a 200+ comment thread while simultaneously talking in another 350+ comment thread about an incident that didn't involve their own team in a competition their own team is no longer involved in?

The majority of those posts are people complaining about it. It's hardly a strong argument for it.

It needs modifying to only overturn howlers. When you can't celebrate a goal properly in fear of it being disallowed then the game is fvcked

 

[Nano]

The majority of those posts are people complaining about it. It's hardly a strong argument for it.

It needs modifying to only overturn howlers. When you can't celebrate a goal properly in fear of it being disallowed then the game is fvcked

This argument doesn't make sense and yesterday proves it. If the offside call had been correctly given as offside by the linesman then there would have been nothing to celebrate. If it hadn't been overturned by VAR then the celebration that did happen would have been the same. This shows that the fans can and do still celebrate when they think there has been a goal scored. VAR overturning the goal doesn't mean that they couldn't celebrate because they did celebrate. The only "problem" is that the goal was offside and so those celebrations shouldn't have happened in the first place, like we have experienced ourselves many times when a goal is scored and you've celebrated before seeing the linesman's flag, but it also means that the fans at the other end of the pitch could celebrate. In fact, I would say there was more celebration in total due to VAR than there would have been without VAR (and that doesn't include any celebrations from the rest of the game).