Deal accepted for Morgan Rogers.

BoroMart said:
Exactly it’s 10m with another 6 of potential add ons. I hear that these are very achievable add ons and the relatively low initial price is so that Villa don’t break ffp
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It doesn't make sense to me that Villa would find 3.5m more at the back of the sofa (within 3 days) to add to their 6.5m upfront value on their previous bid, not when they had been incrementing in .5m for the two prev bids.
 
Boro_Interlinked said:
It doesn't make sense to me that Villa would find 3.5m more at the back of the sofa (within 3 days) to add to their 6.5m upfront value on their previous bid, not when they had been incrementing in .5m for the two prev bids.
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Time pressure and external pressure (from West Ham) may have accelerated negotiations. It sounds like they've known what our valuation is for around a fortnite. They've just been seeing what they can shave off.
 
Jonathan said:
Who gets to decide what a "good valid offer" is if not the selling club.
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It is the selling club. Not the fans.

But player's agents would challenge a selling club if they were being ridiculous. Agents have a good knowledge of the market.

Let's say

Villa express an interest Rogers publicly
Rogers is interested by offer.
Boro demand £20m for Rogers.
Villa tell them to F Off
Rogers tells his agent he's unhappy he's not been given a chance to speak to them.
Agent assesses situation. If £20m is a fair valuation he would explain this to the player. However if isn't, a bit of pressure will be rightfully applied by said Agent.
Maybe an agreement can be made, wait 6 months, renew contract etc.
Maybe not and player ends up disgruntled

But it's not as simple as just saying, well he's got a 4 year contract so he's worth whatever we say he's worth. That's not how it works. They are human beings not commodities.
 
B_G said:
It's not really. When it comes to signing youth, a young player (and his agent) will look at things like this. If Boro got a reputation for turning down good valid offers from PL clubs and players were missing opportunities, we would be looked at unfavourably in future.

That doesn't mean take the first offer every time, but it does mean setting realistic valuations and accepting offers if it's met.
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Agreed. We don't want the reputation of holding players back.

It's a big part of Brighton and Brentford's policy now: they get value, but they won't stop a player who wants to move on. Its one of the reasons they're regarded as ideal clubs for younger players coming to the pl to join.
 
Frozen Horse said:
Agreed. We don't want the reputation of holding players back.

It's a big part of Brighton and Brentford's policy now: they get value, but they won't stop a player who wants to move on. Its one of the reasons they're regarded as ideal clubs for younger players coming to the pl to join.
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I don't get why people keep saying this about Brighton. They literally did exactly this until it suited them not to. Arsenal and Chelsea both wanted him last January, the player himself publicly said he wanted to go on Instagram, Brighton stood firm, rejected bids between £60m-70m and kept him, had him sign a new contract, and then got £115m for him in the Summer. Even with Cucurella they were rejecting bids of £30m and ended up getting about £60m. Brighton do things entirely on their own terms, not with some fanciful view to just stepping aside to allow a player to have a nice career for himself.
 
Jedi boro said:
It’s really not

Brighton sold Ben White, Marc Cucurella and Argentinean 2022 World Cup winner Alexis Mac Allister all for more than $45 million each, and also got large sums for Yves Bissouma, Leandro Trossard and goalkeeper Robert Sanchez.

ALL for more than $45 mil
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Where were they in the / what league when selling ?
Who else was interested.?
Comparing the sale of Prem Mac Alister, with a world cup medal , to this is bonkers
 
outoftown said:
We are easy prey for who wants our best players ,
Much like Everton has to sell Gordon ,
Or Coventry having to sell their two ,
How else do balance the books / match wages ?
You not gonna say you want to move jobs for a 4x pay rise minimum?
Rogers will not of been on a life changing for all around him contract, he is now
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You’re missing the point, none of those players were sold after just 6 months. If we can’t even hold onto players for a full season then what’s the point in buying and developing young players?
 
outoftown said:
Where were they in the / what league when selling ?
Who else was interested.?
Comparing the sale of Prem Mac Alister, with a world cup medal , to this is bonkers
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I’m saying Brighton sold for top top dollar even in the championship they knock back offers for dunk and Brentford sold maupay for 20 mil a big fee then.
 
Jonathan said:
He's clearly not comparing it to this though, he's making a point against the narrative that Brighton "won't stop a player leaving if he wants to move".
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Bigger clubs offer more to players in wages and contracts , and potential playing levels ..
 
InglebyUTB said:
You’re missing the point, none of those players were sold after just 6 months. If we can’t even hold onto players for a full season then what’s the point in buying and developing young players?
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I'm not ignoring the point .
It's a business that has to comply with more expenditures than income ( without sales ) .
There's balances to be had ... This looks to suit all parties , and doesn't impact overly our chances of promotion this year
 
B_G said:
It is the selling club. Not the fans.

But player's agents would challenge a selling club if they were being ridiculous. Agents have a good knowledge of the market.

Let's say

Villa express an interest Rogers publicly
Rogers is interested by offer.
Boro demand £20m for Rogers.
Villa tell them to F Off
Rogers tells his agent he's unhappy he's not been given a chance to speak to them.
Agent assesses situation. If £20m is a fair valuation he would explain this to the player. However if isn't, a bit of pressure will be rightfully applied by said Agent.
Maybe an agreement can be made, wait 6 months, renew contract etc.
Maybe not and player ends up disgruntled

But it's not as simple as just saying, well he's got a 4 year contract so he's worth whatever we say he's worth. That's not how it works. They are human beings not commodities.
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Do you really believe that an agent is some kind of arbiter to negotiate a fair settlement between the three parties involved?
 
Colgates_shaving_foam said:
Do you really believe that an agent is some kind of arbiter to negotiate a fair settlement between the three parties involved?
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Is that what I said? I don't believe I did. But you interpret it however.

I speak regularly with two agents, one I would speak to on a weekly basis, both of who have players at Boro. I have a reasonable understanding of the types of conversations that take place.
 
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InglebyUTB said:
You’re missing the point, none of those players were sold after just 6 months. If we can’t even hold onto players for a full season then what’s the point in buying and developing young players?
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This is the first time we've done this under the new model, to be fair. Not every young player we buy will be sold within such a short space of time unless they're hot ****. I just hope we have someone lined up to come in tomorrow, most likely a loan deal.
 
Naturally, I think this move has stirred up a lot different opinions from fans.

I’m disappointed to see Rogers leave, but totally understand that money talks in today’s game. Bringing in somebody for £1m and to sell on for £10-15m a few months later is crazy. He’s been steadily improving over the last few months, but he’s nowhere near the finished article.

Totally understand he’s got a potentially higher price ceiling in the future, but that’s the nature of football and transfers.

I think holding onto him as he “might” be worth more in the future isn’t really an option. We’re dealing with the here and now and if the players head has been turned and is keen for the move to go ahead, then it puts the club in a tough situation.

“The model” may throw situations up like this now and then, certainly if we’re recruiting the right players and finding gems. I really do think this Rogers move is an exceptional circumstance at the moment though. I don’t think anyone would have expected this in December.

Only time will tell on our new approach, of course. But it’s the nature of where we are. I’ve always felt this season would be difficult to go up. Both with our squad still learning (and injuries) and sneaking into the play offs this season will be a bonus. The sides likely to be in the play offs will be a hell of a lot tougher than last season too.
 
Prem clubs obviously have more money than champo clubs and if it was us after Rogers, I doubt we would pay 10M for him based on what he has done for us. It seems the club have bargained quite hard to get a decent price, presumably having been told by the player that he wants to leave. He's no doubt got great potential - whether he will realise that at Villa is open to question. I think he has maybe been a bit badly advised. He would have been better off playing regularly for Boro and continuing his improvement. He hasn't done anything to write home about for four years, until he came here. If he ends up going out on loan from Villa in a year's time, he will probably regret his decision.
 
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