Dorman Long Tower - Listed Building Status

[newyddion]

A building we have to keep at all costs, not another building for the record archive books like the North Riding Infirmary

I remember reading an article online it was something like top 20 buildings in the north east and each one of them could have been overshadow by buildings that we’ve demolished.

If we had something better in return then fair enough. But just look at Newcastle or Leeds and see the fantastic buildings and structures they have in comparison to ourselves. It’s shocking and worse still we’ve done it to ourselves. I bet MBC has done more damage to the town than the Nazi’s in WW2

 

[Norfolkred1]

Tot

A building we have to keep at all costs, not another building for the record archive books like the North Riding Infirmary

Totally agree but who does it belong to and it should have a compulsory purchase on it if it's been dormant for a number of years. It's a lovely building but action needs to be taken to get it back to life. Usage, well it's been a bar but it would make a great music venue or maybe an indoor market.

 

[fmttmadmin]

I remember reading an article online it was something like top 20 buildings in the north east and each one of them could have been overshadow by buildings that we’ve demolished.

If we had something better in return then fair enough. But just look at Newcastle or Leeds and see the fantastic buildings and structures they have in comparison to ourselves. It’s shocking and worse still we’ve done it to ourselves. I bet MBC has done more damage to the town than the Nazi’s in WW2

Newcastle and Leeds have demolished vast sways of Victorian buildings - often for motorways. It is just that they had more to top drawer buildings to start with. Please don't just point the finger at Middlesbrough Borough Council. The Dorman Long Tower is not in Middlesbrough. The A66 was commissioned by Cleveland County Council. Middlesbrough council have neglected much in the past it is true but equally look at the fantastic regeneration of the Town Hall and Acklam Hall. People will attack me for mentioning Acklam Hall but it is a Grade One building and still open and in good repair - it was never ever open to the public in the past.
But surely we must learn lessons from the past and learn that keeping iconic structures can really benefit the future.

 

[newyddion]

Newcastle and Leeds have demolished vast sways of Victorian buildings - often for motorways. It is just that they had more to top drawer buildings to start with. Please don't just point the finger at Middlesbrough Borough Council. The Dorman Long Tower is not in Middlesbrough. The A66 was commissioned by Cleveland County Council. Middlesbrough council have neglected much in the past it is true but equally look at the fantastic regeneration of the Town Hall and Acklam Hall. People will attack me for mentioning Acklam Hall but it is a Grade One building and still open and in good repair - it was never ever open to the public in the past.
But surely we must learn lessons from the past and learn that keeping iconic structures can really benefit the future.

MBC have been guilty of the same. Their lack of action on the CSI and The Odeon building firstly and the debarcle with the infirmary. Redcar and Cleveland Council have form with the ‘vertical pier’

The situation with Acklam Hall want ideal.. but at least it’s still there.

 

[newyddion]

If you de-value an asset or even place it at a negative value it can then be passed on to a private company/individuals with ease.

Then as part of ‘regeneration’ they can be paid to demolish and remove these redundant structures and ‘eyesores’ as seen with MBC’s housing stock.

Pretty good position to be in, now land banking and area you paid nothing for..
Next up any developer wanting to thrown any old shyt up, a cardbox town, a plastic disposable supermarket, a fracking site or maybe just bury tones of nuclear waste there.

Money for nothing, a nice little earner all paid for by us and all we had to do was let them get away with it.

 

[fmttmadmin]

Site now under the ownership of Teesworks.

 

[Ex pfc wintergreen]

I'm all for keeping buildings that can be reused and keeping architectural heritage, a concrete bunker and a large furnace are just that. The idea that the bunker can be taken down is ridiculous, they are made of reinforced poured concrete,they don't come down until you knock them down or blow them up. There was a similar one demolished in Cleveland works in 1981, and the three furnaces at clay lane went shortly after, who misses them?. I understand people's concerns about the planning of this area in the last fifty years, but I don't think this is a fight worth having. Look forward not back.

 

[Norfolkred1]

I'm all for keeping buildings that can be reused and keeping architectural heritage, a concrete bunker and a large furnace are just that. The idea that the bunker can be taken down is ridiculous, they are made of reinforced poured concrete,they don't come down until you knock them down or blow them up. There was a similar one demolished in Cleveland works in 1981, and the three furnaces at clay lane went shortly after, who misses them?. I understand people's concerns about the planning of this area in the last fifty years, but I don't think this is a fight worth having. Look forward not back.

Looking at the photos on page three, there is no way back.

 

[newyddion]

I'm all for keeping buildings that can be reused and keeping architectural heritage, a concrete bunker and a large furnace are just that. The idea that the bunker can be taken down is ridiculous, they are made of reinforced poured concrete,they don't come down until you knock them down or blow them up. There was a similar one demolished in Cleveland works in 1981, and the three furnaces at clay lane went shortly after, who misses them?. I understand people's concerns about the planning of this area in the last fifty years, but I don't think this is a fight worth having. Look forward not back.

I think it’s more important than you’re giving it credit for. I’m all for looking forward long term. I’d rather we utilised the assets that we have to hand rather than throwing everything in the bin and startling from scratch with little or no plan. How much would the buildings we’ve lost cost to re build today? Has the area been improved as a result of these building being knocked down?

 

[newyddion]

Looking at the photos on page three, there is no way back.

Just in case anyone is interested..

E-mail: planning_admin@redcar-cleveland.gov.uk

Use the reference below as the title of the email: R/2021/0728/PND Objection

Address it for the attention of Dave Pedlow (the planning officer).

Write a short reason why. Be polite and be passionate.

You have until 9th Sept

Sign the Petition

 

[Ex pfc wintergreen]

I think it’s more important than you’re giving it credit for. I’m all for looking forward long term. I’d rather we utilised the assets that we have to hand rather than throwing everything in the bin and startling from scratch with little or no plan. How much would the buildings we’ve lost cost to re build today? Has the area been improved as a result of these building being knocked down?

It's an industrial bunker nothing more, people are used to seeing it so they think it has heritage importance,it doesn't, neither does the furnace, misplaced romanticism.

 

[newyddion]

It's an industrial bunker nothing more, people are used to seeing it so they think it has heritage importance,it doesn't, neither does the furnace, misplaced romanticism.

You could say the Mona Lisa is just oil pigment on linen cloth. ‘misplaced romanticism’

It’s one of the finest examples of brutalist architecture in the country, an iconic structure representing the area’s industrial heritage and daubed with the name of dorman long. You want a building or structure that represents the history and identity of Teesside? There it is.


The Colosseum, Rome
Statue of Liberty, New York
Big Ben, London
La Sagrada Familia, Barcelona
Eiffel Tower, Paris
The Leaning Tower, Pisa
Dorman Long Tower, Teesside

 

[Ex pfc wintergreen]

You could say the Mona Lisa is just oil pigment on linen cloth. ‘misplaced romanticism’

It’s one of the finest examples of brutalist architecture in the country, an iconic structure representing the area’s industrial heritage and daubed with the name of dorman long. You want a building or structure that represents the history and identity of Teesside? There it is.


The Colosseum, Rome
Statue of Liberty, New York
Big Ben, London
La Sagrada Familia, Barcelona
Eiffel Tower, Paris
The Leaning Tower, Pisa
Dorman Long Tower, Teesside

You're comparing a coal bunker to that lot,It's not even that old, dream on .

 

[thewanderer]

You could say the Mona Lisa is just oil pigment on linen cloth. ‘misplaced romanticism’

It’s one of the finest examples of brutalist architecture in the country, an iconic structure representing the area’s industrial heritage and daubed with the name of dorman long. You want a building or structure that represents the history and identity of Teesside? There it is.


The Colosseum, Rome
Statue of Liberty, New York
Big Ben, London
La Sagrada Familia, Barcelona
Eiffel Tower, Paris
The Leaning Tower, Pisa
Dorman Long Tower, Teesside

Are you seriously comparing a concrete bunker to the Colosseum or the Eiffel tower?

 

[newyddion]

You're comparing a coal bunker to that lot,It's not even that old, dream on .

How old would it need to be for you to concisely it to be of worth?

How much do you think say Willem de Kooning’s painting ‘interchange’ from the same period would be worth? (In comparison to older paintings)

 

[newyddion]

Are you seriously comparing a concrete bunker to the Colosseum or the Eiffel tower?

That is correct. That is exactly what I’m doing.
Top 10 Brutalist Buildings

 

[thewanderer]

Only photographers like brutalist buildings, everyone else thinks they're an eyesore.

 

[newyddion]

Only photographers like brutalist buildings, everyone else thinks they're an eyesore.

Architecture, history, culture, identity.. it’s all bloody rubbish!

 

[Ex pfc wintergreen]

Architecture, history, culture, identity.. it’s all bloody rubbish!

Somethings are worth saving. This isn’t and neither is the furnace.

 

[Cuthbert]

That is correct. That is exactly what I’m doing.
Top 10 Brutalist Buildings

To be honest, pretty much every building on that list could be pulled down and replaced with something much nicer IMO. Seems too generous to give them a 'genre' of architecture, when they basically all look pretty rank.